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Ace Cheese 02-08-2012 10:53 AM

My God, the colours are better than CLOD!

BG-09 02-08-2012 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace Cheese (Post 388838)
My God, the colours are better than CLOD!

That is very true statement. I tought the same as I saw them! :(

bongodriver 02-08-2012 02:18 PM

Yes very true....they look nothing like a computer simulation....

5./JG27.Farber 02-09-2012 06:59 PM

Air Tactics Book - Luftwaffe
 
Ive noticed in book shops you can buy tactics and stratergy books for various nations on infantry and tanks in various situations but for the life of me I cant find a single one on Air forrces - for any country for WWII.

Any one got any information if such books even exist?

EDIT1:

I actually just found some but if anyone knows a good one please let me know.
I just ordered:

Luftwaffe Handbook 1939-1945
Alfred Price

and

Luftwaffe Fighter Aces: The Jagdflieger and Their Combat Techniques (Greenhill Military Paperback)
Mike Spick

priller26 02-10-2012 06:15 AM

Great photos, it's amazing the material which keeps popping up.

Igo kyu 02-10-2012 01:17 PM

There used to be a WW2 book (by Edward Sims), but it's out of print and second hand copies cost too much.

"Fighter Combat: Tactics and Manoeuvring" by Robert L. Shaw is very good, and gets as technical as anyone other than someone taking a degree in aerodynamics could need.

"Air Combat Manoeuvres: The Technique and History of Air Fighting for Flight Simulation" is more basic, and my edition has one mistake, but it does have pretty pictures.

Mike Spick's book is okay, I haven't read the other one.

icarus 02-10-2012 01:35 PM

Awesome photos!

5./JG27.Farber 02-10-2012 02:55 PM

Thnaks for the reply Igo kyu,

Im am not so much looking for the best most efficent tatics but the actually tactics they used. I suppose there are no real definate books just on the luftwaffe because they had to adapt and change, however I suspect the main reason is because ariel combat is such a fluid art.

I will look into your suggestions, thank you.

335th_GRAthos 02-10-2012 07:38 PM

Some Bf109 reading
 
http://www.vintagewings.ca/VintageNe...tt-Bf-109.aspx

http://www.vintagewings.ca/Portals/0...s/109Title.jpg

~S~

BG-09 02-10-2012 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by icarus (Post 389463)
Awesome photos!

Thanks! :)

Sven 02-10-2012 07:51 PM

Thanks for the heads up!

Welshman 02-10-2012 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PeterPanPan (Post 388813)
Fantastic pictures. Thanks for sharing. I thought the 4th one looked familiar and then I checked. It is Henley-on-Thames in Oxfordshire, England. The view is looking east, downstream over the River Thames. All the buildings you see are still there - not much has changed in 70 years :)

http://www.360vision.co.uk/uploads/il2/then.jpg

http://www.360vision.co.uk/uploads/il2/now.jpg

PPP

is it me or have the moved the bridge 100 meters down river lol

major_setback 02-10-2012 08:34 PM

Larger version.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...Thames1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ames1944-1.jpg

Some more photos from wartime England. I posted a few of these earlier. Norwich, Dover, London, Stratford on Avon.:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1939-04-12.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1939-04-12.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1939-04-16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1936-05-16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1939-04-13.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1939-04-16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1936-05-16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1936-05-16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1939-04-12.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1935-09-14.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1935-08-21.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1939-04-16.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1935-09-14.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...m%202/1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...44wBalloon.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...1Trinityst.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...hester1942.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../Dover1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../Dover1945.jpg

major_setback 02-10-2012 08:35 PM

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...dePark1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../Essex1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...onersofwar.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...bledon1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/Kent1945.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...London1941.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ondon1941b.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ondon1941c.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ondon1941d.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ondon1941e.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ondon1941f.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...London1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ondon1944b.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../Luton1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...mshire1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...eMarsh1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...tation1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...nstead1941.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...onAvon1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...onAvon1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...uffolk1944.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...uffolk1945.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...nalGallery.jpg

major_setback 02-10-2012 09:22 PM

Paris:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...arisWWII01.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...arisWWII02.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...arisWWII03.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...arisWWII04.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...arisWWII05.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...arisWWII06.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...arisWWII07.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...arisWWII08.jpg

Plymouth

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ymouth1946.jpg

Rye Sussex

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ssex11930s.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...RyeSussex2.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...RyeSussex3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...RyeSussex4.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...RyeSussex5.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...RyeSussex6.jpg

School 1948
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...school1948.jpg
1947
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...6c2d310a_o.jpg

1930
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...landUK1930.jpg

1924
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...chrome1924.jpg

1924
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...hrome21924.jpg

1947
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...U00679ACME.jpg

SG1_Lud 02-11-2012 08:58 AM

Thank you Athos. :cool:

BG-09 02-11-2012 01:00 PM

Thanks for the pictures Major! Excelent photos! Wanderful! Thanks again! :)

5./JG27.Farber 02-11-2012 01:19 PM

Major setback, great images, thanks for sharing.

Look how clean and tidy everything is. The people, the streets everything has pride and place. Then you look at what we have today...

Jaws2002 02-11-2012 01:39 PM

It's a joy to see that puppy fly. I imagine how much fun it is to actually fly it.

I mean, just look at the smile on his face.

Hood 02-11-2012 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber (Post 389806)
Major setback, great images, thanks for sharing.

Look how clean and tidy everything is. The people, the streets everything has pride and place. Then you look at what we have today...

Less people, less disposable goods and packaging, less rubbish.

Modern standards are different, sadly, but a lot of things are better.

Great pictures.

Hood

JG52Uther 02-11-2012 08:18 PM

Great pics! Those pictures of Stratford on Avon, the place still looks like that!

BG-09 02-16-2012 08:02 AM

WW2 Video in Color - Great scenes! German side...
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IeBD7...efRVAAAAAAAAAg

Tte. Costa 02-16-2012 08:27 AM

Great scenes.
Tx to share, but...
In color, or colored?

KG26_Alpha 02-16-2012 09:02 AM

Coloured.

addman 02-16-2012 11:18 AM

Nice, especially since it's not the same footage I've seen a million times on Discovery and the likes.:) Saw a couple of Hetzers too...makes me wanna boot up WoT.

Comrade Jordan 02-16-2012 11:29 AM

The Bombings - In Technicolor
 
This might be of interest for you. Allied Bomber Forces.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_oJf54ZoRE

robtek 02-16-2012 12:12 PM

A single sided glorification of a inhuman (mostly against civilians) side of warfare!

Imo.

Heinz Laube 02-16-2012 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robtek (Post 391182)
A single sided glorification of a inhuman (mostly against civilians) side of warfare!

Imo.

+1

Comrade Jordan 02-16-2012 01:44 PM

wait...so there is a humane side of warfare? sounds very zynical, especially about WWII.

There is about 20 seconds on the beginning of the video, that says alot.
anyway. just thought this would be a video worth watching, no offence.

ATAG_Snapper 02-16-2012 02:47 PM

I found the footage interesting (although I turned the electronic music off).

Sternjaeger II 02-16-2012 02:49 PM

it's always interesting watching this kind of footage, even if the choice of soundtrack kinda makes me wonder about the sanity of the author..

bongodriver 02-16-2012 03:18 PM

I liked the music....that old 8bit stuff conjures some fond memories :)

Sternjaeger II 02-16-2012 04:07 PM

yeah, bet that's what the 8th Air Force chaps listened to with their 8 tracks installed in the Mustangs ;)

bongodriver 02-16-2012 04:11 PM

Useless fact.....8 track was invented by Bill Lear, the guy who made the Learjet.

Sutts 02-16-2012 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robtek (Post 391182)
A single sided glorification of a inhuman (mostly against civilians) side of warfare!

Imo.

Great footage, inappropriate music IMO.

robtek 02-16-2012 10:12 PM

Yes, thats what i meant!

Without the soundtrack it is a documentary, though, the cutter must be on drugs :D

Viking 02-17-2012 02:06 AM

Sad thing is that the bombing never ended. It keeps on even today.

mazex 02-17-2012 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sutts (Post 391258)
Great footage, inappropriate music IMO.

+ 1

Mazex

BG-09 02-25-2012 08:16 AM

East front - WW2 in color! Superbe! 51 min!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivojR...efRVAAAAAAAAAg

Snuff_Pidgeon 02-25-2012 10:55 PM

Great stuff thanks!

kestrel79 02-26-2012 02:42 AM

Wow amazing footage. Wish it was in english.

Trumper 02-26-2012 07:15 PM

Bottisham Museum -end of an era
 
:( Yesterday saw the removal of exhibits from Bottisham Museum to a temporary storage place whilst looking for a new venue.
The land is possibly going to be redeveloped so the buildings may soon be no more.
Alot of hard work by the members saw several loads of exhibits transferred from their home.
Here are a few photos from the day.
If you wish to keep in touch there is the website
http://www.bottishamairfieldmuseum.org.uk/
and a facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/groups/bottishamairfieldmuseum/
Thanks for looking

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p..._9954Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p..._9945Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p..._9936Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p..._9932Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p..._9927Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p..._9925Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p..._9923Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p..._9921Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p..._9920Small.jpg

http://i399.photobucket.com/albums/p..._9957Small.jpg

ATAG_Dutch 02-26-2012 07:23 PM

Ah crap, that's such a shame. :(

RedToo 02-27-2012 09:47 PM

Luftwaffe WWII Colour Pics.
 
Some great pics here from 'Luftwaffe im Focus'

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17467094/L...-No1-in-Colour

I particularly like page 39 ...

$5.00 fee to download the pdf - well worth it - lovely big colour pics.

RedToo.

III/JG53_Don 02-27-2012 10:12 PM

Some nice pics in there. It always astonish me how real everything looks with just a little bit of colour :D

Sven 02-27-2012 10:13 PM

Amazing find, thank you very much!

ATAG_Doc 02-27-2012 11:00 PM

Thank you!

Jaws2002 02-28-2012 05:02 PM

Awesome aerobatic team helmet camera clip.
 
Enjoy.:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=jIAqgVMZRIA

TomcatViP 02-28-2012 05:39 PM

The neg G pull up at the end is simply breathtaking

w1nd6urfa 03-09-2012 10:08 AM

Malta WW2 exhibits?
 
Hello all,

I will be visiting Malta next week, does anyone know of any WW2 related exhibits / museums worth paying a visit?

TIA
w1nd

pupaxx 03-09-2012 11:14 AM

try this,
http://www.maltaviationmuseum.com/
a friend of mine visited it several times and he was enthusiast about it.;)
I envy you, an aviation journey in spring season, what's better!
Cheers

WTE_Galway 03-10-2012 03:20 AM

Also the war museum. They have the fuselage of the Gladiator nicknamed "Faith" on display among other things.


http://www.heritagemalta.org/resourc...MWarMuseum.pdf

w1nd6urfa 03-10-2012 06:32 AM

Cool, thanks guys

I'll post a few pics next week

phoenix1963 03-10-2012 08:42 AM

The Lascaris War Rooms http://www.wirtartna.org/Default.aspx?tabid=2483 are atmospheric - if they're open, they were shut when we were last there.

The best read is Malta: The Thorn in Rommel's Side - Six Months That Turned the War by Laddie Lucas. You'll find it there in (expensive) bookshops if you don't have time to get it before you go.

Don't miss the stuff about the Great Siege in 1565 either, if you have time read Ernle Bradford's book The Great Siege: Malta, 1565. Also the prehistoric stone circles are awesome, visit Hagar Qim and Mnajdra.

Malta is a great place to go if you're interested in history.

56RAF_phoenix

322Sqn_Dusty 03-10-2012 11:01 AM

Hello,

In 2010 i've held a vacation on Malta. The Lascaris War Rooms were open but they were restoring the plotting room at that time. Keep in mind that the entrance is found via the the Upper Barracca Gardens from Battery Street (Battery fires at noon a shot for time ref.) The tour bus of the north holds in sight of the battery while on the harbour side at noon, beware of weird faces when ur sprinting from the bus to make pictures and video of the shot :cool: and others just missed it...).

It costs about €15 pp (currently more?) to ride the sightbus. Every half an hour it comes by and you can hop on and off. Local busses are a treat..cheap and quite a ride....

http://www.maltasightseeing.com

Lots of traces of WW2 can be found, i recommend the reading about Pedestal etc before you go.

trademe900 03-11-2012 02:17 AM

Where are the battle of britain Luftwaffe pilot's combat reports???
 
There are many raf fighter combat reports describing the interception of bombers and kills etc but where are the accounts from the german bomber crews and escorting fighters? I am very interested to read them.

Any help much appreciated.

NLS61 03-11-2012 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trademe900 (Post 398018)
There are many raf fighter combat reports describing the interception of bombers and kills etc but where are the accounts from the german bomber crews and escorting fighters? I am very interested to read them.

Any help much appreciated.

Maybe http://tinyurl.com/84k4oxm

MB_Avro_UK 03-11-2012 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NLS61 (Post 398046)


:):):)

Mysticpuma 03-11-2012 12:18 PM

Parachutists bail from a stalled aircraft as it spins earthward
 
Just found this video showing a group of Parachutes as they start to exit their aircraft. After the first leaves, the aircraft banks into a Spiral stall spin and cameras capture the view inside and outside as it heads earthward:

(Click on link above the video square to view the video)

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5c5_1331438922

Cheers, MP

pupo162 03-11-2012 12:31 PM

wow, what an impresisve footage.

as noone got hurt, ill say it anyway.

i found it a rather beautiful view, the guy filming the plane falling from the sky at the same speed as he was free falling.

Kankkis 03-11-2012 12:40 PM

Yeah thanks for sharing mysticpuma, i have been skydiver too but only with 6 jump :(

FFCW_Urizen 03-11-2012 12:41 PM

Chinese Stealth Fighter J-20
 
http://defensetech.org/2012/03/10/aw...ealth-fighter/

and

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJSVmpV1Kb0

enjoy ;)

Osprey 03-11-2012 12:57 PM

Only it's not very stealthy, so much so that the security is so poor surrounding it, hence this "pretend we're hiding in the bushes when it's parked out in the open in a city".

Even Typhoon could take it out lol

FFCW_Urizen 03-11-2012 01:02 PM

wouldn´t china need a city for all their soldiers? might just be a very big base. didn´t pay too much attention to the background though.

Al Schlageter 03-11-2012 02:34 PM

documentary videos
 
Go to the link and then external links for viewing the video you want to watch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_We_Fight

Prelude to War (1942) (51:35) (Academy award as Documentary Feature) – this examines the difference between democratic and fascist states, and covers the Japanese conquest of Manchuria and the Italian conquest of Ethiopia. [4] Capra describes it as "presenting a general picture of two worlds; the slave and the free, and the rise of totalitarian militarism from Japan's conquest of Manchuria to Mussolini's conquest of Ethiopia."[3]

The Nazis Strike (1943) (40:20) – covers Nazi geopolitics and the conquest of Austria, Czechoslovakia and Poland. [5] Capra's description: "Hitler rises. Imposes Nazi dictatorship on Germany. Goose-steps into Rhineland and Austria. Threatens war unless given Czechoslovakia. Appeasers oblige. Hitler invades Poland. Curtain rises on the tragedy of the century—World War II."[3]

Divide and Conquer (1943) (56:00) [6] – about the campaign in Benelux and the Fall of France. Capra's description: "Hitler occupies Denmark and Norway, outflanks Maginot Line, drives British Army into North Sea, forces surrender of France."[3]

The Battle of Britain (1943) (51:30) [7] – depicts Britain's victory against the Luftwaffe. Capra's synopsis: "Showing the gallant and victorious defense of Britain by Royal Air Force, at a time when shattered but unbeaten British were only people fighting Nazis."[3]

The Battle of Russia (1943) (76:07) Part I [8] and Part II [9] – shows a history of Russian defense and Russia's battle against Germany. Capra's synopsis: "History of Russia; people, size, resources, wars. Death struggle against Nazi armies at gates of Moscow and Leningrad. At Stalingrad, Nazis put through meat grinder."[3]

The Battle of China (1944) (62:16) [10] – shows Japanese aggression such as the Nanking Massacre and Chinese efforts such as the construction of the Burma Road and the Battle of Changsha. Capra's synopsis: "Japan's warlords commit total effort to conquest of China. Once conquered, Japan would use China's manpower for the conquest of all Asia."[3]

War Comes to America (1945) (64:20) [11] – shows how the pattern of Axis aggression turned the American people against isolationism. Capra's synopsis: "Dealt with who, what, where, why, and how we came to be the U.S.A.—the oldest major democratic republic still living under its original constitution. But the heart of the film dealt with the depth and variety of emotions with which Americans reacted to the traumatic events in Europe and Asia. How our convictions slowly changed from total non-involvement to total commitment as we realized that loss of freedom anywhere increased the danger to our own freedom. This last film of the series was, and still is, one of the most graphic visual histories of the Unites [sic?] States ever made."[3]

NSU 03-11-2012 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trademe900 (Post 398018)
There are many raf fighter combat reports describing the interception of bombers and kills etc but where are the accounts from the german bomber crews and escorting fighters? I am very interested to read them.

Any help much appreciated.


You must look for "Flugbuch" or "Leistungsbuch" (pilot Logbook) like this:

http://www.stalingrad-feldpost.de/Ze...ch-deimel.html

JG26_EZ 03-11-2012 02:39 PM

I think the most asked question when trying to get some people to go skydiving, is...
"Why would I want to jump out of a perfectly good airplane?"
I think it would have made a great title for the vid :D
Nice find btw.

JG52Uther 03-11-2012 06:42 PM

4x5 Kodachromes from the '40's
 
Amazing quality, could have been taken yesterday:

http://pavel-kosenko.livejournal.com...hread=22669914

TomcatViP 03-11-2012 07:40 PM

Thx a lot !

RedToo 03-11-2012 07:50 PM

Lots more here:

http://www.shorpy.com/image/tid/179

Shorpy.com is a great site.

RedToo.

Osprey 03-11-2012 08:17 PM

Fantastic quality.

FFCW_Urizen 03-11-2012 08:22 PM

Thx a lot! Just look at the quality, amazing.

335th_GRAthos 03-11-2012 08:24 PM

Thanks! :)

~S~

baronWastelan 03-12-2012 06:19 AM

Russia Today ^ | 11 March, 2012 | *Ivan Fursov

Chinese ‘Mighty Dragon’ doomed to breathe Russian fire

While Beijing is proudly leaking more images of J-20 fifth-generation stealth fighter jet, China continues to buy Russian military jet engines and spare parts, which might indicate China is in a technological deadlock.

*China is making an attempt to catch up with world leaders and develop hi-tech vehicles in the absence of crucial military know-how and technology, like engines for ultrasonic cruise flights and active phased array antennas.

“As of now, it is too early to say that China is capable of creating a fifth-generation jet from start to finish,” told RT Vasily Kashin from the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies.

*Chinese 5th-gen fighter jet

*The Chinese J-20 (Mighty Dragon) fith-generation fighter jet program is advancing in truly huge strides. The jet has already made over 60 test flights, performing elements of aerial acrobatics.

In 2009, General He Weirong, Deputy Commander of the People’s Liberation Army Air Force estimated that the J-20 would be operational no earlier than in 2017-2019. Now it appears Chinese engineers have done a great job and the jet is much closer to being ready than expected.

Created by Chengdu Aircraft Corporation, this heavy fighter jet is the first military plane China has constructed on its own, without visible attempts at copying foreign technology. It resembles neither the American Raptor F-22, nor the Russian T-50 PAK-FA.

Though peculiar forms of the jet and technical decisions allegedly realized in the vehicle might be questionable, one thing about this plane is an established fact.

As of now, the J-20 flies with two Russian AL-31F jet engines it borrowed from the Russian Su-27 fighter jet that entered Chinese service in the mid-1980s.

China also tried to put engines of their own on a second test J-20 vehicle, but the copycat of the Soviet engine AL-31F made by China is not in the same league as the Russian analogue for reliability and durability.

The real problem is both AL-31F and Chinese version are engines of the previous generation.

No question the Chinese jet is a prototype model and technology demonstration vehicle called to test new equipment and technology. Defined as a technology showroom, it may fly whatever engines its creator considers possible. But China has no working engine for a 5G jet.

Despite the fact that China tries to sell clones of the Russian jets at discount prices on the international arms market ($10 million for a J-11, while the Russian original Su-27 is well over $30 million), China continues to buy Russian engines and certain parts of these engines in quantities that far exceed the necessity to do routine maintenance of the Russian planes they use.

Chinese dependence on Russian engines can only be explained by technological inferiority of Chinese engine-building.

Beijing has found itself in a position when getting a decent 5G fighter jets with complying engines means buying engines in Russia, because no other country will sell them anything similar.

*Why China needs Russian 4++ fighter jets

*This week, news came that Moscow and Beijing are close to striking a deal on China buying 48 Su-35 multifunctional fighter jets for $4 billion. The main reason for this remarkable purchase could be Russia’s jet engines.

The Su-35 flies with two next generation AL-41F1C engines that enable it to achieve hypersonic speed without afterburner, a feature attributed to 5G jets. And AL-41F1C actually is a de-rated version of the AL-41F1 (117C) engine used on the undergoing tests T-50 PAK-FA, Russian 5G fighter jet.

The new Russian engine AL-41F1C is what China needs to make J-20 fly as a 5G jet.

In 2010, when Russia’s Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov was on visit to China, Beijing proposed to buy 117C engines, but the offer was turned down.

Russians agreed to sell only assembled planes and in addition insist on signing a special anti-copycat agreement, designed to prevent the Chinese from copying the vehicle and its parts, as has happened before.

This demand has become a stumbling block in the negotiations. After the news about the deal emerged, the Chinese Ministry of Defense rushed to deny that negotiations on Su-35 with Moscow are in the terminal stage.

“Actually, any negotiations with China always come to the following: they try to buy a small lot [of arms] for examination and possible further replication. Naturally, Russia is aware of such risks and refuse to sell arms in small quantities,” said Vasily Kashin, explaining China’s canny moves to obtain missing technology.

Russia has great doubts concerning the practicability of selling AL-41F1C engines to Beijing without the special replication clause. This does not suit China because in the end they need technology to organize a production line for such engines of their own.

*China’s copycat efforts

For many years China has been the biggest buyer of Russian military planes. Overall it has bought 178 fighter jets of only Su-27/Su-30 family – until producing a successful copycat of it, named J-11.

They also replicated Russian deck-based fighter Su-33 (J-15), Su-27 fighter jet (J-10), Su-30 (J-11), MiG-29 (FC-1).

*Chinese dragon with Russian engines

Kashin predicts that after long negotiations Moscow and Beijing will finally strike a separate jet engine deal and Russia will supply engines for the J-20 program, the way it already supplies engines to all four major types of Chinese fighter jets which are actually copycats of Soviet-made planes.

“Buying the Su-35 to dismantle its engines to put on J-20 would be madly expensive for the Chinese,” said Kashin.

“The J-20 is a very technically-risky project because there is no guarantee that Chinese will be capable to put into shape by 2017 several systems they are developing for the project, including special munitions and an active phased array antenna of they own in-house design,” Kashin told RT.

The J-20s will most likely fly with Russian engines for years before they make a reliable engine of their own, Kashin said.

The expert also pointed out that while the Chinese stated earlier they attempted to make a jet with the characteristics of an American F-22, they more likely are now working not on a fighter, but a stealth assault jet.

The J-20 will presumably be capable of piercing an enemy’s air defense to strike an important target – something like an aircraft carrier, as could be seen in J-20 “Attack on all fronts”advertising clip.

*Ivan Fursov, RT

335th_GRAthos 03-12-2012 10:01 PM

I think this video is more fun:

sea trials of the F-35B on the USS Wasp

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v...feature=colike


~S~

JG52Krupi 03-12-2012 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 335th_GRAthos (Post 398428)
I think this video is more fun:

sea trials of the F-35B on the USS Wasp

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v...feature=colike


~S~

Yeah its great to have a laugh at the amount of money spent on that "thing" why couldn't they have designed it so that the fan cover didn't act like a damn airbrake at take off!!!!!!!

major_setback 03-13-2012 12:16 AM

I went through the site a while ago. Here are the best pics; to save you searching. I think these are bigger versions too.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/1a34871u.jpghttp://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/1a34881u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/1a34894u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/1a34909u.jpg

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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/1a34947u.jpg

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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/1a35211u.jpg

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http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/1a35223u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../1a35239u1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../1a35288u1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/1a35294u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/1a35296u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/1a35303u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/1a35313u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...35322u1im3.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/1a35354u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12.../1a35397u1.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/8e02454u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...2/8e02679u.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y12...ustang-p51.jpg

Jaws2002 03-13-2012 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi (Post 398431)
Yeah its great to have a laugh at the amount of money spent on that "thing" why couldn't they have designed it so that the fan cover didn't act like a damn airbrake at take off!!!!!!!

It doesn't. It acts like a scoop that takes air from top front and sends it down trough the lift fan. This creates lower pressure above the craft and helps with the lift.

JG52Krupi 03-13-2012 06:38 AM

Ah interesting, still very glad the UK went for the CTOL version

baronWastelan 03-13-2012 08:23 AM

ehem
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi (Post 398490)
Ah interesting, still very glad the UK went for the CTOL version

Estimates for adapting HMS Prince of Wales so that it can be used by the Joint Strike Fighter are understood have risen from £500 million to £1.8 billion.

Millions have already been spent on studies to look at how to convert the ship after ministers decided to scrap the jump-jet variant of the plane in favour of a conventional take-off and landing model. But so great is the rise in total costs, ministers are considering abandoning the plan and reverting to the Ministry of Defence’s original proposals.

Philip Hammond, the Defence Secretary, believes there is not enough money in the budget to afford the £300 million a year to carry out the work over six years.

“We are certainly looking at what’s affordable and what can be done in terms of risk and cost,” said an MoD official. “If you have an unaffordable programme you cannot ignore it.” The move is likely to be embarrassing for the Government as the changes were at the heart of the Strategic Defence and Security Review in 2010. It will also heighten criticism of the Government for disbanding the fleet of Harrier jets and selling them to US Marine Corps for “peanuts”.

Under the new plans, the Government is expected to choose the jump-jet version of the JSF, even though the take-off and landing model can fly further and carry more bombs.

The decision will also mean an end to plans for joint-carrier operations with French and American ships as they are only equipped to handle conventional fighters. To take off and land on HMS Prince of Wales, the vessel needed to be fitted with a catapult system to launch the aircraft and a “trap” to slow planes down and stop them when they land.

The MoD has earmarked up to £80 million for the conversion feasibility study and half the money has been spent.

Pressure is mounting on ministers to make a decision because of the time it will take to refit the carrier. More than 200 Navy sailors and fliers are about to begin training on US and French carriers to ensure the British ships have qualified crews when launched. Mr Hammond’s decision, expected at the end of this month, could be helped after manufacturers said technical problems with the jump-jet fighter were largely resolved.

Full article at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-trebles.html

Kupsised 03-13-2012 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by baronWastelan (Post 398504)
The decision will also mean an end to plans for joint-carrier operations with French and American ships as they are only equipped to handle conventional fighters. To take off and land on HMS Prince of Wales, the vessel needed to be fitted with a catapult system to launch the aircraft and a “trap” to slow planes down and stop them when they land.

To be honest, it's that the scares me the most. I've never really liked the idea of the RAF having the F35 (although converting Typhoons for carrier operations isn't really an option either, the F35 just reminds me too much of the F111), but to not take the CTOL version and miss out on the opportunity to cooperate with the French would be a huge missed opportunity. We have the chance to begin serious European military cooperation with the French (obviously outside of NATO, but that doesn't count since it isn't European and also the 'pooling' they have there is extremely limited), and ok, it might incurr a massive cost in the short term, but if we could pool our carrier force together it would also make big savings in the long term. If we are going to take the F35, at least take the one that nets us the most benefits, even if it's at a greater short-term cost.

TomcatViP 03-13-2012 12:18 PM

Yeah all that story is ridiculous. I guess that now the Brits are pleased to be the "un-beatable US ally" -e.g building a fleet of modernized Harrier's at a tremendous cost and giving them away to the poor Marines at peanuts price (180M$ - seems I made an error on a previous post). The story does not say if a case of fine whiskey came with the gift ;).


Thx Baron for the heads-up

Katana1000S 03-13-2012 01:13 PM

As much as I like exotic aircraft I cant help but feel we should have just went with FA/18 Super Hornets for our new carrier, its well proven, a truer tried and tested design and great all round performer and a hell of a lot cheaper than the F-35 ... some insist we need to stay at the cutting edge but we cant afford to and the next step will be even more expensive and so on and so forth.

I guess we cant back out of the F-35 program now, politics are just so backwards sometimes.

Katana1000S 03-13-2012 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomcatViP (Post 398534)
Yeah all that story is ridiculous. I guess that now the Brits are pleased to be the "un-beatable US ally" -e.g building a fleet of modernized Harrier's at a tremendous cost and giving them away to the poor Marines at peanuts price (180M$ - seems I made an error on a previous post). The story does not say if a case of fine whiskey came with the gift ;).


Thx Baron for the heads-up

That was crazy (as was scrapping the Nimrod MR4's when they were finished!!) apparently all our Harriers were sold for the price of about one F-35 ... and the Marines will be flying at least some of them.

As I said, Politicians are just dumb.

Osprey 03-13-2012 09:29 PM

It's not just the price but the timing. Leaving us without a single carrier is embarrassing and a tactical disaster. The Navy and RAF battle each other more than look to our requirement as a country, ending up keeping dozens and dozens of useless Frigates in preference to 2 or 3 decent aircraft carriers with a decent protective destroyer fleet. At least we have Astute class subs.

This is the reward for voting in greedy grinning public school ponces with tons of charisma for the voters but absolutely zero diplomacy, negotiation skill, business acumen, long term strategic idea nor ethical concept. British voters = media led idiots.

mxmadman 03-16-2012 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Osprey (Post 398682)
It's not just the price but the timing. Leaving us without a single carrier is embarrassing and a tactical disaster. The Navy and RAF battle each other more than look to our requirement as a country, ending up keeping dozens and dozens of useless Frigates in preference to 2 or 3 decent aircraft carriers with a decent protective destroyer fleet. At least we have Astute class subs.

This is the reward for voting in greedy grinning public school ponces with tons of charisma for the voters but absolutely zero diplomacy, negotiation skill, business acumen, long term strategic idea nor ethical concept. British voters = media led idiots.

You might as well take out the "British" part of that last sentence. Stupidity does not obey national boundaries, and I'm sure you could insert any other nation into that sentence and no one would argue.

P.S. I'm loving this thread. Need more like this one! Helps me get through my Friday.

Edit: I should clarify: I like all the interesting information and quotes on the first page. I'm not enough of a junkie to search out this info on my own but its great when you guys do it for me!

Bewolf 03-16-2012 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mxmadman (Post 399560)
You might as well take out the "British" part of that last sentence. Stupidity does not obey national boundaries, and I'm sure you could insert any other nation into that sentence and no one would argue.

P.S. I'm loving this thread. Need more like this one! Helps me get through my Friday.

Edit: I should clarify: I like all the interesting information and quotes on the first page. I'm not enough of a junkie to search out this info on my own but its great when you guys do it for me!

To be fair, its not just politians. Defense companies have this habit to make great offers, which then run over budget and late on a permanent basis. Those comapnies are so used to getting their equipment taken over by the governments they got fat, lazy and plagued by an entitelment attitude.

RedToo 03-21-2012 09:14 PM

German WWII Colour Photos.
 
http://thirdreichcolorpictures.blogs...-baumbach.html

RedToo.

Thee_oddball 03-24-2012 09:58 PM

World War 2 HD Full Color Movie clips
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6Wq0-HU8Kc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLxOkI7pHp8

Richie 03-25-2012 09:27 AM

Someone put up the whole video
 
If you like 109s watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbeRn1rgoIo

major_setback 03-25-2012 09:42 PM

Thanks. There are some photos I haven't seen before there.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-wxOZ3jqALl...ir%2Bforce.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-K2Z2OJYY0v...r%2Bforce1.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Jq8-SrQL-L...r%2Bforce1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-FdDImSTe-d...2B109%2BEa.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-tlxBsfV9gk...2BHe%2B111.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-5taaEK6SIg...5BCnlinger.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-OsOP4RsWxh...ing%2Btips.jpg

cebit 03-26-2012 03:15 PM

Really nice vid.
Noticed on the footage when the pilot was flying around the english countryside that in the distance it was hazy and low visibility distance towards the ground while sky could still be scanned propperly.
Maybe something that will be done eventually with the new graph engine in works to avoid that annoying "box" of rendering around your aircraft and the ground.

GF_Mastiff 03-26-2012 04:04 PM

awesome war bird video!

PeterPanPan 03-26-2012 04:19 PM

Thanks for sharing, will enjoy watching this. Is it just me though, or does the engine start at about 1:27 sound like a really wet fart? Maybe it's my speakers?! :grin:

GF_Mastiff 03-26-2012 04:22 PM

Whats great is I can watch this on my 82 inch Digital DLP Mitsubishi from you tube! To bad it's not
1080p and wow the cockpit sounds stay the same no other noise.
Also in the mini cam sequence theres a latch that came lose I wounder if they saw that? 55:10

addman 03-26-2012 04:43 PM

The moment that DB engine comes to life...pure love!:grin: Excellent vid thanks!

Martin77 03-26-2012 05:27 PM

Amazing Video. Thank you very much

Towarisch 03-26-2012 06:01 PM

Realy, realy nice video. Thank you very much for sharing it. I love the sounds and this little wonderfull Warbirdie:)


THANK YOU


with regards from Germany



Towarisch

Richie 03-26-2012 09:17 PM

Beautiful Colour Slides 1939-43
 
These are really something. Enjoy.


http://extras.denverpost.com/archive/captured.asp

baronWastelan 03-27-2012 02:52 AM

Thanks for posting the link, those are stunning images.

Just last month I had reprints made from Kodak film I snapped in Africa 25 years ago. The prints look they were shot last year. Eerie!


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