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mayshine 04-24-2012 04:06 PM

Why still no dive acceleration difference?
 
:confused:Dear All

Why thru so many versions still the very big defect--same dive acceleration

for all aircrafts---is not fixed?

As we know, FW,spit,p47,la....and so on have their own respective dive
acceleration which to some extence dominate the result of the combat.

It is really uncomfortable when diving in a Fw with a La almost neck to neck

Why it is not fixed, is it because of the limit of IL2 engine?

JtD 04-24-2012 04:58 PM

Because in game, g applies the same to all aircraft. Just like in real life.

mayshine 04-24-2012 07:22 PM

thanks for concerning

however i want to correct u

G does affect everything on earth the same

however the air friction does not, plus the motor power, the shape of the plane, the weight of the plane

with the air friction, the feather obviously can not reach the ground as fast as the stone ball.

this make dive acceleration very different.

please go WIKI if u do not fully understand

mayshine 04-24-2012 07:32 PM

also it has been record in RAF documents for the acceleration difference test of different spit fire. a lot of doc support those differences.

And thru the BBC history, u can clearly hear the old pilots saying their P47
can easly catch up with the FW190 when diving which other lighter planes can
not, even D9 dora can not compete the diving acceleration of P47

mayshine 04-24-2012 07:48 PM

I do appriciate D team's effort

and love so much the IL2 sim which brings me a lot of fun

However, to be serious

IL2 will forever be a HANDICAP without this problem fixed

almost 10 years since the publish, man, I am slightly not patient enough now

Robo. 04-24-2012 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mayshine (Post 414380)
almost 10 years since the publish, man, I am slightly not patient enough now

But the diving speeds do vary in Il-2. Plus you can't compete with say a Lavochkin fighter against a 190 as you'd lose parts of your aircraft when diving too fast anyway. With all due respect I don't understand what you mean, perhaps you can give an example (starting altitude, engine settings etc).

mayshine 04-24-2012 08:09 PM

I meant the speed increase difference in certain period during diving.

for example, spit early type may have speed increase from 200KM/H to 400KM/H in 10 sec during diving
while spit late type will have the speed increase from 200KM/H to 500KM/H in 10 sec during diving at same altitude and throttle condition

In 4.11 ver and before, La will share the same speed increase with FW 190 when chasing after it till critical speed limit during the diving

It's a bit late here, I will post the test documentation from from archive tomorrow

Hope this explaination can help to clarify.

IceFire 04-24-2012 10:56 PM

Have you actually done tests in-game or are you just thinking that this is the case? I'm not trying to be obtuse but years ago I did some testing with a couple of players side by side and there was an obvious difference between different types of aircraft. It wasn't quite as pronounced as some people thought they would be... but it was there. I wish we still had the tracks but this was years and years ago.

fruitbat 04-24-2012 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IceFire (Post 414505)
Have you actually done tests in-game or are you just thinking that this is the case? I'm not trying to be obtuse but years ago I did some testing with a couple of players side by side and there was an obvious difference between different types of aircraft. It wasn't quite as pronounced as some people thought they would be... but it was there. I wish we still had the tracks but this was years and years ago.

I agree.

Only a couple of weeks ago a squad mate and myself were practising for a SEOW mission (HSFX i know, but), and we were testing how to best fight J2M's up high in a 47, and we did some side by side dive tests. All planes do not dive the same for sure.

mayshine 04-25-2012 07:50 AM

please please

now set a quick mission

altitude 2000.

u will find Fw190A9 1944 be at 720km/h before hit the ground with 100 throttle

try La5 1942 same, 720km/h before hit the ground 100 throttle


please do that test. it is easy and fast to prove the defect

also please remember to press the "pause" botton before crash


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