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Rodolphe 09-06-2010 03:49 PM

Heinkel 111, The Frantisek's remarks.
 
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Excerpt from the "Friday 2010-09-03 Dev. update and Discussions" .


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Originally Posted by frantishek (Post 179342)
looks fantastic!

But major factual errors(!!):
1. Nose gunner never sat like that. I have never seen a seat mounted there, plus physically there is no space to put the feet like that!

2. The top gunner, gun is not fixed on the bar but pivots on it, so it would be loose and point straight up (due to weight of back end).
*if* the bar position was to rear, then the barrel would be pushed aft by the wind.

3. The dg radio antenna, the reddish object just in front of top gunner, is completely wrong shape.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...8&d=1283522637

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Rodolphe 09-06-2010 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by t.}{.o.r. (Post 179377)

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originally posted by frantishek
looks fantastic!

But major factual errors(!!):
1. Nose gunner never sat like that. I have never seen a seat mounted there, plus physically there is no space to put the feet like that!

2. The top gunner, gun is not fixed on the bar but pivots on it, so it would be loose and point straight up (due to weight of back end).
*if* the bar position was to rear, then the barrel would be pushed aft by the wind.

3. The dg radio antenna, the reddish object just in front of top gunner, is completely wrong shape.
1. I do recall seeing pictures with a gun mounted on that location.

2. Apart from the gun swinging back because of the wind i don't see a problem or an error there. The gunner might still be alive... Actually:

Quote:

screen 1 - pilot dead, bombardier dying. Top and waist gunners alive.
i suggest that you look at picture no. 3 where the gunner is dead. ;)

3. I'll leave that for someone else to reply. :)

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Rodolphe 09-06-2010 03:51 PM

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Quote:

Quote:

Originally Posted by kom.nausicaa (Post 179426)
as for the heinkel cockpit: He is sitting on a bench. (not a seat) -- here is the sow bob heinkel from inside:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny59blbrpla



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Rodolphe 09-06-2010 04:20 PM

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Starting with the 3rd remark.

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3. The dg radio antenna, the reddish object just in front of top gunner, is completely wrong shape.




The Peilrahmen PRE 3 (F 305) is a rotating unidirectional loop antenna installed on the roof of the aircraft.


http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/PRE3c.jpg







http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/PRE3.jpg







http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/PRE3a.jpg





Three different models of loop antenna, the PRE3 is shown on the right.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/PRE3b.jpg



Underneath the sliding glass roof, the Peilrahmen PRE 3 antenna has been rotated and his core is now parallel with the longitudinal axis of the aircraft.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/PRE3h.jpg







Throught the bomb bay, the orange arrow pointing to the rotating mechanism.

http://users.teledisnet.be/web/mfe39146/PRE3i.jpg
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T}{OR 09-06-2010 06:16 PM

Nice post!

Thanks for explaining the antenna types. :)

winny 09-06-2010 07:00 PM

That's what I like, a 'disscussion over' post.

Good post, good info, good result!

T}{OR 09-06-2010 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by winny (Post 179488)
That's what I like, a 'disscussion over' post.

Good post, good info, good result!

Hehe, I wouldn't say it is over yet. :)

Rodolphe, do you have some images of the He-111 with the nose MG pointing upwards?

KG26_Alpha 09-07-2010 08:44 AM

Isn't this the one shown correctly modelled ?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...1/He111ant.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...903_174258.jpg

T}{OR 09-07-2010 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha (Post 179568)
Isn't this the one shown correctly modelled?

It is. :)

Rodolphe 09-07-2010 10:57 AM

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I love to see that some Guys paid attention of what I've been posting here ! :grin:


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