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Old 03-10-2012, 05:49 AM
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Here's another idea. How about we try to take all the emotion and armchair mechanicness out of this and try and find some actual sources of data?

I started looking and found this link from the wikipedia DB601 entry: http://www.scribd.com/doc/71362812/1...r-DB-601-A-u-B

Can any of our german speaking friends lese through this bitte and then reporten zu backen hier was ist gesayin ist?
Very nice find, however this is a manual from 1940 so there is nothing about the MW50 or any other boost system in there.

This is not the same engine that was fitted with the MW50 later. This is the DB-601, the later engine that used the MW50 was the DB-605. This is the engine used for instance on the Bf-109E.

It says about this engine that you should not run the motor in low rpm before the start on the ground for very long (or not at all if possible).

For this engine rpm should never (ever) go higher than 2400.
In a dive rpm should be 2400 but rpm of 2500 are O.K. for 30 seconds or less.

Ladedruckerhöhung (WEP) Power of 1.4 ata at 2400 rpm should not be used for longer than 1min.
Full Power of 1.3 ata at 2400 rpm should not be used for longer than 5min.
Increased Power of 1.23 ata at 2300 rpm should not be used for longer than 30min.
Power of 1.15 ata at 2200 rpm or lower can be used indefinitely.
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Old 03-10-2012, 07:15 AM
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OK, well then what about some of the data here: http://kurfurst.org/#engines

... ? I didn't find any DB605 engine manual scans after some brief searching.
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Old 03-10-2012, 03:14 PM
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Unfortunately on that site is nothing about the MW50 apart from the mention that it is needed for the maximum power setting on some of the engines.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:44 PM
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Please we must be logic.
And use the brain


BF 109 - Have reserves Water/ methanol for 23 minutes

These boost only operate at full power, like a swich.

The fact is clear.

For the BF 109 the Luftwaffe said, for more than 10 minutes is dangerous for the BF 109 engine.

The fact is clear.

Under 10 minutes, you must use it, for full climb and full disengage, OR COMBAT.

That's as real as
Like Sturmovik was a flying tank.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:56 PM
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Please we must be logic.
And use the brain


BF 109 - Have reserves Water/ methanol for 23 minutes

These boost only operate at full power, like a swich.

The fact is clear.

For the BF 109 the Luftwaffe said, for more than 10 minutes is dangerous for the BF 109 engine.

The fact is clear.

Under 10 minutes, you must use it, for full climb and full disengage, OR COMBAT.

That's as real as
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The 156th Fighter Air Corps of the 4th Air Army was the next unit to receive the La-7 in October 1944. At one point during the month, they had fourteen aircraft simultaneously unserviceable with engine failures.
By 1 January 1945 there were 398 La-7s in front-line service of which 107 were unserviceable with engine failures



THANKS I HAVE LOW RATED FW 190!!!, AND SHORT RANGE MW50 !!


VERY GOOD !!!

EVERY DAY LESS PEOPLE ARE FLYING.

Ask yourself why

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Old 03-10-2012, 10:46 PM
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Great, so pretty much you've got no data to back up your claims. No cited sources but some apparent handy "quotes" from who the hell knows what. Just some random "facts" with no evidence. Also some appeals to reason, which is a great and common debate fallacy. Then to top it off, you toss in an insult at the developers.



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Old 03-11-2012, 12:56 AM
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i dont see the insult to the devs?
and no...
he does not need to show his sources to please anyone.
much like TD does not have an obligation to show its sources.

you fly what you get, or go mod.

why less and less people fly?
more along the lines:
why more and more old hands leave the banana forums... the atmosphere in here is shafty at best, with red whiners and blue whiners clinging onto numbers instead of flying...
Egoes instead of smiles and relaxed people...
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Old 03-11-2012, 01:49 AM
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Great, so pretty much you've got no data to back up your claims. No cited sources but some apparent handy "quotes" from who the hell knows what. Just some random "facts" with no evidence. Also some appeals to reason, which is a great and common debate fallacy. Then to top it off, you toss in an insult at the developers.



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Without copying and pasting...

I would like to see an original flight manual of the La 7 or La 5 FN and the "Flight test".

I never saw one.

That's the point.
Ask for evidence ... Over 10 years ... I see little evidence, for many planes.

I do not want insult Realy.
I want to learn.

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Old 03-11-2012, 03:21 AM
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Without copying and pasting...

I would like to see an original flight manual of the La 7 or La 5 FN and the "Flight test".

I never saw one.

That's the point.
Ask for evidence ... Over 10 years ... I see little evidence, for many planes.

I do not want insult Realy.
I want to learn.

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http://www.avsimrus.com/f/documents-...al--29518.html
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Old 03-11-2012, 03:46 AM
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You know, away from these forums people are getting on with life and enjoying the game quite a bit. I was having a blast so far this weekend. I don't see fewer and fewer flying... people have said that for years and yet many servers I frequent online are busier than ever.

I've been watching this thread hoping for some interesting information, but aside from the La-5FN manual, I haven't seen much from the personal attacks and people typing (yelling?) in very large print.

It'd be refreshing to have less of the yelling and more positive discussion. IMHO.
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