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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer 1C: Maddox Games.

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Old 10-27-2011, 01:57 PM
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Has Hollywood made a good/realistic WWII film? A lot of people say that Saving Private Ryan was perfect, but I found it to be Spielberg's typical "Heavy-Handed" tripe. The effects were amazing, and good choreography, but every 5 minutes I found myself pulled out of the experience by some manner of glaring error, or stupid thematic device (like having every German soldier a skinhead).

Yes Mr. Spielberg, we didn't forget that the Holocaust happened, but skinheads were an invention of the 70's/80's.

I'm really glad that they didn't make that Battle of Britain movie since this is 100% how it would have happened. . .

"Hey you useless Brits, I'm an American and I'm going to show you cowards how to really shoot down Nazi planes! Boooyah! That's my 50th kill this week! Oh, lost another lame Brit wingman. Good thing I brought my American Made P-51 D to this battle that takes place Summer-Fall 1940. Oh did I mention that I happen to also fire explosive rounds from this? It's a special top-secret round that improves movie cinematics. Oh no! We're up against an SS wing of ME-262's They specifically target Jewish pilots. . . I'm 1/2 Jewish! Better get in an 1 on 1 battle with the head SS pilot. At the end I'll appear to be just about to lose, and when he dives to deliver his death-blow on my damaged P-51 I'll do some manner of Physics-Defying maneuver that will result in him being destroyed and I delivering a really awesome "One Liner" before I fly back to marry that British Girl who can never go back to regular Brit men after being with a real man!"

Did I manage to get all the Hollywood WWII Cliches into it?

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Old 10-27-2011, 01:58 PM
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Exasctly. By the time the Yanks got into the European Theatre of Operations in 1942 there were barely one or two Luftwaffe squadrons left flown by wet-behind-the-ears rookie pilots. Well, except maybe for New Years Day, 1945............
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Never heard that before, there were still a lot of aces pilots on the western front.
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Old 10-27-2011, 02:13 PM
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Riiigggghhhhtttttt

Never heard that before, there were still a lot of aces pilots on the western front.
This is true, but the Luftwaffe was also an atrophied force by this time. Pilot turnover was atrocious, and the ratio of allied/axis fighters in the air was pretty one sided as well.

Then again, I don't know why people get into the "which nation's pilots are better" arguments.
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Old 10-27-2011, 02:23 PM
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I would like to see a film about Galland and JV44 rising in a hand full of me262 to meet massed allied bomber formations defended by hundreds of escort fighters. There is a tragic courage to these elite pilots defending their country, facing impossible odds while also flying the most advanced jets and with such high level of experience and skill.
Good luck trying to market a movie portraying Germans in WW2 as heroic underdogs!
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Old 10-27-2011, 02:38 PM
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Good one Speculum J,That was solid gold mate, spot on
The closest I can come up with as a reasonable modern WWII hollywood
movie is probably Memphis bell!

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"Hey you useless Brits, I'm an American and I'm going to show you cowards how to really shoot down Nazi planes! Boooyah! That's my 50th kill this week! Oh, lost another lame Brit wingman. Good thing I brought my American Made P-51 D to this battle that takes place Summer-Fall 1940. Oh did I mention that I happen to also fire explosive rounds from this? It's a special top-secret round that improves movie cinematics. Oh no! We're up against an SS wing of ME-262's They specifically target Jewish pilots. . . I'm 1/2 Jewish! Better get in an 1 on 1 battle with the head SS pilot. At the end I'll appear to be just about to lose, and when he dives to deliver his death-blow on my damaged P-51 I'll do some manner of Physics-Defying maneuver that will result in him being destroyed and I delivering a really awesome "One Liner" before I fly back to marry that British Girl who can never go back to regular Brit men after being with a real man!"


It would be funnier if it was not true...
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I found it very funny and very true...
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Old 10-27-2011, 03:18 PM
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Riiigggghhhhtttttt

Never heard that before, there were still a lot of aces pilots on the western front.
Not a chance, Krupi. They all died in the Battle of Britain. Apparently.

There's all kinds of stuff I never knew that I'm just learning now on this forum!

EDIT: It pays to check other threads here. From what I can deduce, surviving Luftwaffe veteran airmen were no doubt crushed by a rash of toppling locomotives caused by those pesky strafing P-47's and Tyffies!
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Old 10-27-2011, 04:18 PM
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Good one Speculum J,That was solid gold mate, spot on
The closest I can come up with as a reasonable modern WWII hollywood
movie is probably Memphis bell!

Cheers
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Yup, that's a good example. The only way I can think of that being blown out of proportion "Hollywood Style" would be to have the gunners shooting down dozens of 109's. Then again they had a pretty tight budget that didn't leave much for superfluous special effects.
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Old 10-27-2011, 05:55 PM
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Is just a movie to entertain people, just that, worst than this movie are the dogfights series by history channel , self called documentary channel
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