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Old 08-27-2011, 11:51 PM
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For those that were/are still under the belief that CLOD was financed by Ubisoft then read this below, especially Chivas who as been on my case about this for a long time.


Originally Posted By: 777 Studios - Jason

I'm sorry, but I need to say something because your comments are not correct.

1.) Luthier is a long-time friend of mine and you are smearing him with no proof or knowledge of what really happened that caused the less than stellar release of CLOD. Oleg didn't hand Luthier anything. Luthier was asked by 1C to try to finish the project after Oleg was, depending who you talk to, relieved of duty by 1C or he quit 1C. You make the call. Luthier is making the best of a bad situation and he is a good guy and from what I can tell a good manager. My point is you can't blame him for the release or bad decisions that were forced upon him by others. He was given 12 months to correct 6 years of bad decisions made by others. A good analogy is blaming me for every decision made regarding ROF before my company took over. Coming from someone who had to take over a not so great situation I know what he is going through.

2.) Again, you see to blame Ubi for all this. Why don't you ask 1C if $8 million and 7 years was enough time and money for a team to eventually be held accountable for there work and produce a product? Ubi is not quite the monster they are being portrayed as. Again, see my comments about Oleg's departure. Only Duke Nukem' can have a never ending dev cycle and hell even that got released eventually. Bringing Oleg back isn't going to solve anything. 1C loves when you blame Ubi. 1C was the day to day manager and owners of IL-2 franchise, not to the mention the primary funding source so why aren't they held accountable? Some of you hold Oleg and 1C up like some sort of gods and people who can do no wrong which is foolish.

I'm not going to say anymore, but what you've said about Luthier isn't fair to him. There is no need to be an Oleg or 1C apologist.

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Old 08-28-2011, 12:12 AM
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that broke my buble.

im trully sad now
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Old 08-28-2011, 12:19 AM
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That's interesting, I thought that OM might have been the problem for a while.



I just got the feeling that he was too set in his ways. The market moved on and I always found Oleg's 'my way or the highway' attitude a little bit lofty.

Luthier has seemed much more 'current' and aware of what's expected in 2011.

I got the feeling from some of his posts that he was trying to drag the sim into the 21st century, he knows what the people here want more than anyone.
I think he wants the same.

If it's true then I feel for him, there's nothing worse than having to clean up someone else's s**t.

I hope he succeeds.
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Old 08-28-2011, 12:32 AM
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I never blamed Ubi for that in the first place, except maybe for the decision to add steam into the mix. It takes a very limited understanding of the IT business to not blame programming errors on the programming people...

Besides that: Luthier and his team may have limited responsibility on things up to and including release, but what about the time from release until now?
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Old 09-03-2011, 07:00 AM
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[QUOTE=winny;327842].

I got the feeling from some of his posts that he was trying to drag the sim into the 21st century, he knows what the people here want more than anyone.

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This is the 21st century no? 2011.
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Old 09-07-2011, 01:46 AM
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Since I'm not at all well versed in economic mechanisms regarding investments, I hope someone can tell me which of the two following statements is closer to the truth:

a) If a person purchases a copy of ClOD Oleg gets a share of the income because he worked on this project very long .

b) If a person purchases a copy of ClOD Oleg gets nothing because he left the team for whichever reason before the product was released to the market.

Regarding the discussion related to the imperfect state of ClOD, once the engine is fixed properly it would certainly be a plus to have Oleg back on the team. From what I understand, the FM works but doesn't really meet the performance of the modeled aircraft. No amount of programing wizardry will help someone to get the performance just right without Oleg on board. For that matter, even hiring another aeronautical engineer will take too long to get things right because such a person wouldn't have Oleg's expertise in the field and would take a really long time to get up to speed. Why o why can't people understand that it is bad karma to offend a flight sim creating deity?

BTW, I'm sure that new appreciation is born for the famous "Oleg trees" now that the fancy schmancy looking trees are taking too much processing power for the collisions to be detected.
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Old 09-07-2011, 03:02 AM
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Its hard to say....if Oleg still owns Maddox Games and has hired Luthier for the day to day operations....or Oleg sold Maddox Games, to IC.
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Sorry, for this late feedback, I actually didn't have much to write about

Anyways, bought the game and figured I'd regret it when I install it. I didn't install it in a while for this reason and, when I finally did, it turned out to be better than I expected. Long story short, with the patch available through Steam and on a less than stellar machine it runs at an average of 30 FPS over the channel, less then that over cities. The price for this performance is paid in eyecandy offcourse. Flight models appear correct in their essence, can't say if the stationary performance values are met at this time. I still wish Oleg could come back on board. Thanks for the insight.

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Its hard to say....if Oleg still owns Maddox Games and has hired Luthier for the day to day operations....or Oleg sold Maddox Games, to IC.
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Old 08-28-2011, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 777 Studios - Jason
Why don't you ask 1C if $8 million and 7 years was enough time and money for a team to eventually be held accountable for there work and produce a product?
Interesting..

If what Jason says is true.. than the only hope for CoD getting finished is if they switch to a RoF model of pay for planes (additional content).. In that I don't see ubi tossing anymore $ down this hole without some way of recouping their investment.. Based on the not so stellar release of CoD thus far I 'assume' they have not got close to recouping the 8million
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Old 08-28-2011, 12:51 AM
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Reminds me Apple in 1985 all this drama...

Much talking and little info. I like the sim potential and good game engine and content, but all this "business" crap is really anoying...

Just optimize more the graphics engine, solve remaining bugs and give us a decent sound engine, stable MP and after work in new titles and the dynamic weather.

And give us DECENT week updates, without lies and crap.

Simple as that. Be professionals. Be men, not children.
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