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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer 1C: Maddox Games.

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Old 05-13-2011, 06:48 AM
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109, but as soon as the 190 hits the game, im switching
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Old 05-13-2011, 07:44 AM
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Gotta be the Hurricane for me, both the DH and Rotol versions.
I don't know exactly why, but I feel at home in it: very stable, all those guns packed close together , excellent visibility all around.
It's not very speedy, but I love it.

Also love all the bombers, each one of them, but God I hate the defensive armaments of the Luftwaffe warplanes... Why did they chose to have those magazine-fed mgs back there ? Every time I've finally set my convergence on a coming fighter, the gun runs out of ammo.
They're fast firing but...

But overall, I like all the planes in the game; each one of them really have something unique about them, you can feel it. Each one is one kind of an animal.

I hope the others unflyables will become flyable one day, all of them.

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Old 05-13-2011, 08:00 AM
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1.Spitfire
2.bf109
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Old 05-13-2011, 08:20 AM
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yeah that thing is nothing like it was in IL-2 FB
espacially the flyables with radial engines, Blenheim/Br20/G50, seems to have a lot of proplems with their ingame CEM programcode

as favorites: Ju88 and He111H
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Old 05-13-2011, 09:17 AM
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1. BF109
2. Hurricane
(like in the old IL2 1946)

the others I have not yet tried.
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Old 05-13-2011, 10:10 AM
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I want to like the G.50, but methinks she is pretty porked FM wise currently.
@ElAurens,
the real G50 had a porked FM...I hope you enjoy some memories on 'Gigetto' so nicknamed by R.A. pilots:

The G50 was a fighter who tried to make their way through the ranks of biplanes whom were so adherent to the aerobatic tradition of Regia Aeronautica.
Was a plane with a strong tendency to spin even in level formation flight (as occurred to 2°Lt Mancini) because a wing design error.
The dangerousness of G50 was accentuated by a fuel tank behind the pilot and by an heavy armour, it not allowed the pilot to abandon the control stick for a single instant, the plane needed a continuous correction.
At that time Italian pilots were used to 'sit down' the plane at landing with the cloche pulled at the 'belly', G50 simply not allowed this without the risk of left wing drop.
Fiat had solved the drawback making the wing tip replaceable!
More skilled pilots used to push under the instrument dash the stick at the first touch with terrain.
How many well-executed 'tailslide' looked from ground were effectively attemped 'loopings'!!! And how many offset 'tonneaux' turned into violent spins with the nose towards the ground...

Tullio De Prato (chief-test pilot at Caproni-Reggiane Industries, rank of Major in R.A., 1 tour of duty Albania, 2 ToD North Africa, Reggiane 2005 test pilot) wrote in a letter: ''...talking about 'flight charateristics'
is a blasphemy, for sure these are optimistically obtained from 'naked' prototype...I sustained a close combat against an Hurricane (and i was regularly shot down) and I assure you the velocity gap was well above 10% in difference in my disadvantage.
With the weightened tail the plane impose an high-drag flight assett. Not to mention the armaments, the air intake (so low that sucked more sand than air), the constant feeling of walking on ice upset the more experienced pilot and made him regret the maneuvrable and quiet Cr42.
The engine...after 2 days in Lybia eated more oil than petrol and required endless takeoff before disconnecting, with anguish, the wheels off the ground...''

G50 in Battle of Britain
In September 1940, 20° Gruppo (Squadriglie 351/352/353), commanded by Maggiore Mario Bonzano, equipped with Fiat G.50 was part of the 56° Stormo formed to operate during the Battle of Britain as part of the Corpo Aereo Italiano based in Belgium, with 18° Gruppo (Fiat CR.42). Their use was hampered by their slow speed, open cockpits and short range. At the beginning of 1941, the C.A.I. came back in Italy, except for two G.50 Squadriglie that stayed in Belgium with Luftflotte 2, until April. While with the C.A.I. the Fiats flew 429 missions, 34 escorts and 26 scrambles but could not manage to engage enemy aircraft.
One aircraft was lost and seven more were damaged. While with Luftflotte 2, 20° Gruppo lost four additional fighters and two pilots were killed (Roncali (13 February 1941) and Meneghini (3 April), both of 352a Squadriglia), while two G.50s were damaged by German fighters and flak.
The experiences of the early series G.50s over Britain showed the inadequacies of the type. Its operations were almost useless in the campaign because they were too short-ranged and stationed too away from England. The G.50s had limited endurance, with missions rarely exceeding one hour.
The G.50bis with larger fuel tanks was already in production, but it was not sent to 20° Gruppo in time. Performance was also lacking; when 22 Fiat G.50s intercepted several Hawker Hurricanes on 5 November 1940, the RAF fighters easily escaped.
On 21 November, when a Bristol Blenheim attacked the Medgelem airfield two G.50s scrambled, but lost the bomber in the clouds. On 23 November, G.50s followed four Hurricanes, but were unable to close on them. Another fruitless intercept took place on 31 January, when G.50s lost a Blenheim that escaped into the clouds. The last sighting of enemy aircraft occurred on 8 April 1941, when, once again, the elusive targets were not intercepted.
The G.50s were early models with an open canopy, useful in Mediterranean climes, but the pilots suffered heavily in the bad weather of northern Europe. The aircraft was also under-equipped, with a mediocre radio set (powered by batteries, prone to freeze at altitude) and lacking any armour protection.
In Belgium, 20° Gruppo had the opportunity to see the Bf 109 in action with several G.50 pilots trained top fly the type with two Bf 109Es sent to the Gruppo in mid-January 1941.

Courage alone!
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Old 05-13-2011, 10:19 AM
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@ElAurens,
the real G50 had a porked FM...I hope you enjoy some memories on 'Gigetto' so nicknamed by R.A. pilots:

The G50 was a fighter who tried to make their way through the ranks of biplanes whom were so adherent to the aerobatic tradition of Regia Aeronautica.
Was a plane with a strong tendency to spin even in level formation flight (as occurred to 2°Lt Mancini) because a wing design error.
The dangerousness of G50 was accentuated by a fuel tank behind the pilot and by an heavy armour, it not allowed the pilot to abandon the control stick for a single instant, the plane needed a continuous correction.
At that time Italian pilots were used to 'sit down' the plane at landing with the cloche pulled at the 'belly', G50 simply not allowed this without the risk of left wing drop.
Fiat had solved the drawback making the wing tip replaceable!
More skilled pilots used to push under the instrument dash the stick at the first touch with terrain.
How many well-executed 'tailslide' looked from ground were effectively attemped 'loopings'!!! And how many offset 'tonneaux' turned into violent spins with the nose towards the ground...

Tullio De Prato (chief-test pilot at Caproni-Reggiane Industries, rank of Major in R.A., 1 tour of duty Albania, 2 ToD North Africa, Reggiane 2005 test pilot) wrote in a letter: ''...talking about 'flight charateristics'
is a blasphemy, for sure these are optimistically obtained from 'naked' prototype...I sustained a close combat against an Hurricane (and i was regularly shot down) and I assure you the velocity gap was well above 10% in difference in my disadvantage.
With the weightened tail the plane impose an high-drag flight assett. Not to mention the armaments, the air intake (so low that sucked more sand than air), the constant feeling of walking on ice upset the more experienced pilot and made him regret the maneuvrable and quiet Cr42.
The engine...after 2 days in Lybia eated more oil than petrol and required endless takeoff before disconnecting, with anguish, the wheels off the ground...''

G50 in Battle of Britain
In September 1940, 20° Gruppo (Squadriglie 351/352/353), commanded by Maggiore Mario Bonzano, equipped with Fiat G.50 was part of the 56° Stormo formed to operate during the Battle of Britain as part of the Corpo Aereo Italiano based in Belgium, with 18° Gruppo (Fiat CR.42). Their use was hampered by their slow speed, open cockpits and short range. At the beginning of 1941, the C.A.I. came back in Italy, except for two G.50 Squadriglie that stayed in Belgium with Luftflotte 2, until April. While with the C.A.I. the Fiats flew 429 missions, 34 escorts and 26 scrambles but could not manage to engage enemy aircraft.
One aircraft was lost and seven more were damaged. While with Luftflotte 2, 20° Gruppo lost four additional fighters and two pilots were killed (Roncali (13 February 1941) and Meneghini (3 April), both of 352a Squadriglia), while two G.50s were damaged by German fighters and flak.
The experiences of the early series G.50s over Britain showed the inadequacies of the type. Its operations were almost useless in the campaign because they were too short-ranged and stationed too away from England. The G.50s had limited endurance, with missions rarely exceeding one hour.
The G.50bis with larger fuel tanks was already in production, but it was not sent to 20° Gruppo in time. Performance was also lacking; when 22 Fiat G.50s intercepted several Hawker Hurricanes on 5 November 1940, the RAF fighters easily escaped.
On 21 November, when a Bristol Blenheim attacked the Medgelem airfield two G.50s scrambled, but lost the bomber in the clouds. On 23 November, G.50s followed four Hurricanes, but were unable to close on them. Another fruitless intercept took place on 31 January, when G.50s lost a Blenheim that escaped into the clouds. The last sighting of enemy aircraft occurred on 8 April 1941, when, once again, the elusive targets were not intercepted.
The G.50s were early models with an open canopy, useful in Mediterranean climes, but the pilots suffered heavily in the bad weather of northern Europe. The aircraft was also under-equipped, with a mediocre radio set (powered by batteries, prone to freeze at altitude) and lacking any armour protection.
In Belgium, 20° Gruppo had the opportunity to see the Bf 109 in action with several G.50 pilots trained top fly the type with two Bf 109Es sent to the Gruppo in mid-January 1941.

Courage alone!
Interesting read there, thanks! Also, yes! the G.50 has a porked FM because it was a rather porked plane, quite under-powered. I still love it though, who doesn't love crappy planes?
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On 23 November, G.50s followed four Hurricanes, but were unable to close on them
Pretty much says it all.
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Old 05-13-2011, 10:24 AM
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"The dangerousness of G50 was accentuated by a fuel tank behind the pilot and by an heavy armour,......"
at least these two things should not harm the CoD G.50 - as they were not existend in the BoB G.50 version
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Old 05-13-2011, 10:32 AM
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Spitfire, Hurricane and 109. I can't really decide, all 3 have their own charms.

The Spitfire is so beautiful, even the name. The Hurricane is so ugly, that it's kind of attractive, and it's also a legend - a dependable friend. The 109 is badass, it looks like a fighter, a machine built to kill, plus it needs a lot of brains to fight in it.

So I fly all of them! Well...I will when this game will be playable - hopefully soon
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Old 05-13-2011, 10:45 AM
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"The dangerousness of G50 was accentuated by a fuel tank behind the pilot and by an heavy armour,......"
at least these two things should not harm the CoD G.50 - as they were not existend in the BoB G.50 version
..my mistake, additional fuel tank and armour referred to G50bis
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