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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer 1C: Maddox Games.

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Yes I have and like using Steam 256 54.47%
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Old 03-17-2011, 06:41 AM
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That's what i've been bitching about all the while, excellent solution that keeps everybody happy
How can you agree with a direct contradiction? You can't both require Steam for online play AND have it be optional at the exact same time! The "Steam built-in multi-player browser" is what Steamworks is. It is the MP service that is causing all the contention of it's inclusion. You literally can't have it for MP while simultaneously not having it for MP.

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The current situation will be equally cumbersome both for non-users and fans of Steam: they are forcing the copy protection i'm more comfortable with on the steam users and vice versa, when we could have an option to choose during installation. I think battlefield bad company did it this way? Players were presented with a choice when installing, one time online activation or disc in the drive to run the game.
We don't know for sure that both the DD version and the box version will use the TAGES DRM. I can't weight in on the BC issue as I didn't get a box copy. I just know that I had to make a Punk Buster account, and that xxxx is whack since it seems for many people (myself included) it occasionally decides my valid copy isn't.

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Old 03-17-2011, 06:46 AM
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I read it perfectly...
And yet you still decided to use the term "spyware" in conjunction with Steam.

You claim to have read it correctly but appear not have really understood it.

The privacy policy you're so afraid of is very much like any other privacy policy.


http://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/fullnotice.mspx

http://www.google.com/intl/en/privac...cy-policy.html

http://www.ubi.com/US/Info/Info.aspx...=PrivacyPolicy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/privacy/our-privacy-policy.shtml

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/info.php?do=privacy

All using very similar disclaimers about the data they collect about you.

Scary stuff. Big brother is watching!
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Old 03-17-2011, 07:14 AM
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And yet you still decided to use the term "spyware" in conjunction with Steam.

You claim to have read it correctly but appear not have really understood it.

The privacy policy you're so afraid of is very much like any other privacy policy.


http://privacy.microsoft.com/en-us/fullnotice.mspx

http://www.google.com/intl/en/privac...cy-policy.html

http://www.ubi.com/US/Info/Info.aspx...=PrivacyPolicy

http://www.bbc.co.uk/privacy/our-privacy-policy.shtml

http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/info.php?do=privacy

All using very similar disclaimers about the data they collect about you.

Scary stuff. Big brother is watching!
Thanks for putting my mind at ease. I totally trust STEAM now.
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Old 03-17-2011, 01:10 PM
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How can you agree with a direct contradiction? You can't both require Steam for online play AND have it be optional at the exact same time! The "Steam built-in multi-player browser" is what Steamworks is. It is the MP service that is causing all the contention of it's inclusion. You literally can't have it for MP while simultaneously not having it for MP.



We don't know for sure that both the DD version and the box version will use the TAGES DRM. I can't weight in on the BC issue as I didn't get a box copy. I just know that I had to make a Punk Buster account, and that xxxx is whack since it seems for many people (myself included) it occasionally decides my valid copy isn't.
I was under the impression that the Steam lobby is just a 3rd party server browser that lists available servers, much like Hypperlobby or Xfire is. Oleg Maddox also said himself that it will be possible to use external server browsers. Finally, there is another precedent/example: it works exactly this way with ArmA2 (both steam and non-steam versions can play on the same server) that's why i believe it can be optional. Since someone has already done it, i don't see why including Steam in the equation suddenly makes the multiplayer functions exclusive to Steam.

Steam version: log-in to steam, open the in-game lobby, choose server, join
non-steam version: run 3rd party server browser, select server, click join, game launches and connects

As for the DRM, the info from Ubi is just like it is for Steam, ie mandatory and vague with no mention of version: "the game will use Solidshield DRM and require a steam account". It's on the official Ubi page for the game, so unless we hear otherwise you're pretty much as screwed as the non-steamers are
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Old 03-17-2011, 04:09 PM
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a)I was under the impression that the Steam lobby is just a 3rd party server browser that lists available servers, much like Hypperlobby or Xfire is. Oleg Maddox also said himself that it will be possible to use external server browsers.

b) Finally, there is another precedent/example: it works exactly this way with ArmA2 (both steam and non-steam versions can play on the same server) that's why i believe it can be optional. Since someone has already done it, i don't see why including Steam in the equation suddenly makes the multiplayer functions exclusive to Steam.

c)Steam version: log-in to steam, open the in-game lobby, choose server, join
non-steam version: run 3rd party server browser, select server, click join, game launches and connects

d)As for the DRM, the info from Ubi is just like it is for Steam, ie mandatory and vague with no mention of version: "the game will use Solidshield DRM and require a steam account". It's on the official Ubi page for the game, so unless we hear otherwise you're pretty much as screwed as the non-steamers are
A) It's a 3rd party server borwser yes, but the reason you include Steamworks is for the purpose of having it in place of building your own server, and server browsing software.

B) That's not a precedent as ARMA 2 doesn't use Steamworks. You can buy it through STEAM like many multiplayer games, but unless they specifically use Steamworks they use their own MP platform.

C)If 1C Maddox does make it so you can choose to use another server browsing service that would be pretty neat.

D) That's the only thing about all this that stinks imo. TAGES has proven to be awful so many times, so I am going to hope against hope that some of the conclusions I've come to are correct.
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Old 03-18-2011, 10:09 PM
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... looks like the DVD version will NOT have/need Steam ....

"Finally, if you buy the physical version of the game, there will be no need to download anything additional in order to play the game. An internet connection will be required to activate the game, and for online play, but that is it. The game only uses SteamWorks for match-making and not the Steam DRM."

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http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...9/m/1751069519

That one made my day guys ...
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Old 03-18-2011, 10:25 PM
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^ I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but so far Steamworks always required Steam to work (big surprise). And I doubt this is going to change only for CoD.

I dunno what's going on, don't people understand that this game will require Steam, or don't they want to understand?
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Old 03-18-2011, 10:40 PM
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... looks like the DVD version will NOT have/need Steam ....

"Finally, if you buy the physical version of the game, there will be no need to download anything additional in order to play the game. An internet connection will be required to activate the game, and for online play, but that is it. The game only uses SteamWorks for match-making and not the Steam DRM."

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http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/t...9/m/1751069519

That one made my day guys ...
I read that at the community forums. I thought that Steams digital distribution did not have DRM's and the Update function on steams digital downloads is the ability to do away with DRM's.
http://www.wired.com/gamelife/2009/03/steam-update-ma/

Kinda like double speak. It sounds a little better though. Now the other question. Are the digital downloads region specific? Meaning can I buy a digital download from the UK and have it unlocked in the US on its Steam activation day in the UK?
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Old 03-18-2011, 11:46 PM
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...Are the digital downloads region specific? Meaning can I buy a digital download from the UK and have it unlocked in the US on its Steam activation day in the UK?
From what I've read, no. Steam looks at where you're logging in from and your content has to match that. Doesn't matter where you download it from, what matters is if that content is 'suitable' for your region. There have even been cases where people have moved to different parts of the world and had access to their games denied because those games aren't allowed in the part of the world they've moved to.
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