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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer 1C: Maddox Games.

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Old 10-28-2011, 03:08 AM
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this was so sentimental - you almost made me cry.

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Old 10-28-2011, 10:18 AM
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I just love how U.S. pilots (actually all Allied pilots) contributions in WWII are continually trivialized by those fans of the Luftwaffe. Tell me, what was the better strategy? Flying high scoring Aces until they dropped or continually turning over your forces so you had combat trained instructors teaching those who followed? It obviously wasn't just loads of pilots and planes that turned the tide for the Allies. Remember the Russians had scads of both in 1941. It didn't do them much good, did it?

When the Americans first started combat over Europe, the Luftwaffe still enjoyed local air superiority most days. Also, there weren't a thousand P-51s concentrated in one area of Germany at any given time. By most accounts I've read, all the USAAF fighter groups were staggered while they performed their escort duties. One group would escort a given part of a bomber stream until relieved by a fresher group. So the idea that a mere 100 Germans stood in the face of a thousand P-51s is BS. They might have faced a 1000 bombers in any given mission, but those were also strung out of a 100 mile long line.
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I get the impression that some would think reenactors are ever justified in donning SS uniforms as well.

Also I find it... Curious, shall we say, that a film that has an obvious civil rights and equality message is being derided for that very same message. The action scenes are the flashy sideshow, not the raison d'etre of the film.
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Old 10-28-2011, 10:45 AM
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Well said, but you won't convince the goofs on this forum. More Luftwaffe Aces were lost to western allies than the east, in fact the Luftwaffe suffered more losses in total to the west. In addition, the Luftwaffe fought over the own territory for nearly the whole western conflict. Once the Luftwaffe had to face superior aircraft and better pilots of the west, they were exposed .
I'm sorry man, but that sounds a bit biased. You're not keeping into account the sheer imbalance in numbers: the USAAF only could put up 10 to 50 times more planes than the Luftwaffe. Despite these tremendous numbers, there still are circa 100 German pilots with at least 100 kills in their combat career. Considering the conditions in which they fought, with inferior machines, lower numbers and difficult logistics, saying that the Allies had better pilots is ludicrous to say the least.

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The best pilots of the war were in the pacific. Fighting in much more difficult weather conditions over far larger distances, most of it being water( any one who has actually piloted a small craft over nothing but water can imagine the difficulty faced by pilots who were engaged in combat,disoreinted, low on fuel maybe wounded and needed to find your aircraft carrier with the navigational equipment used in the 1940's) . Landing and taking off of a carrier in good weather during daylight hours takes more skill than anything the Luftwaffe ever faced. Than try it in poor weather at night with little or no fuel as was the case for the USN in a number of engagements. This is to say nothing of the navigational skill needed a bit more challenging than flying barely past the border of your own country. Where if you bailed out there was a good chance you would rejoin your own unit by morning. In the Pacific , if you left your aircraft you more than likely were not seen from again.
I would say that the worst conditions were in the Pacific, but the best pilots is based on what assumptions? Pacific pilots didn't have to face enormous flak barrages, being bounced by skilled wolfpacks etc.. sure, the conditions were harsher and the odds of surviving smaller if shot down over the sea, but this doesn't make them better pilots. As per navigation skills, they all relied on the same training and methods, if anything it's easier to navigate at sea because you can rely on good instruments or star navigation, and make less errors by spotting landmarks and confusing them with something else.
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Old 10-28-2011, 11:02 AM
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F^k yeah baby, these trailers have me pumped just like your momma!!

This is my most anticipated movie release by a long shot.

I can remember reading an article about George Lucas researching WWII footage for the flight attack flight sequences in Star Wars against the Death Star and thinking to myself, just imagine if this guy ever did a WWII movie!!

Oh yeah baby it's happening right now!!!


@Bearcat, this must be of interest you right? When I first saw your sig all those years ago @ UBI, I didn't even know what the Red Tails was in your sig!

Between then and now... man do I get it... Salute and also thank you again for being a friend and comrade with MM!!

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Old 10-28-2011, 11:07 AM
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F^k yeah baby, these trailers have me pumped just like your momma!!

This is my most anticipated movie release by a long shot.

I can remember reading an article about George Lucas researching WWII footage for the flight attack flight sequences in Star Wars against the Death Star and thinking to myself, just imagine if this guy ever did a WWII movie!!

Oh yeah baby it's happening right now!!!

CS.
I believe the original Dambusters movie was what really inspired the Star wars Death star sequence.
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Old 10-28-2011, 11:10 AM
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I believe the original Dambusters movie was what really inspired the Star wars Death star sequence.
If you say so.
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Old 10-28-2011, 11:15 AM
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Some of you boys need to loosen up a bit. It's a movie for christ sake, its about being entertained. If its got warbirds flyin around, I'll be there.
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If you say so.
No need to get pissy about it, it's something I read and looking at the sequence I can see why...
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Old 10-28-2011, 11:36 AM
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No need to get pissy about it, it's something I read and looking at the sequence I can see why...
LOL... It was an expression of indifference, not objection.

All good here mate.

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I believe the original Dambusters movie was what really inspired the Star wars Death star sequence.
I always thought is was the Gregory Peck movie "Twelve O'Clock High"...I heard it was the sequence where they where getting attacked by Messerschmidts, and the crew men of the humble B17 had to defend themselves. Its suppose to synch up with the scene of them defending the Millennium Falcon from Tie fighters...
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