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Old 01-13-2012, 02:33 PM
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Default Use radio-beacons for instrument approach and landing

Sample .mis file shows how Radio Beacons must be set up to blindly land He-111 and Br-20 which were historically equipped with necessary instruments.

In brief: add an AI-antiair object with PowerON script in properties, set radius to include both power generator and radio beacon / antenna, set the above AI object as a target for generator in generator properties. Thus the AI object will get power from the generator and transfer it to radio beacon and other equipment if any.

LBA antenna, radio beacons and inner and outer markers are in the list of working equipment (see mission text). More info in Russian http://www.sukhoi.ru/forum/showthrea...=1#post1768810

Pay attention to how equipment is placed in the mission.
On a round island radio beacons are set with navigational frequencies of 301-303 and 310. They can be used by Br-20 (set keyboard commands for nav. frequency change in game settings). Blind landing system is set on an airfield which can be used by He-111. Change Br-20 to He-111 in the mission to test it.

.mis file
Code:
[PARTS]
  core.100
  bob.100
[MAIN]
  MAP Land$Online_Cross_v_Roundel
  BattleArea 0 0 32768 32768 10000
  TIME 10
  WeatherIndex 0
  CloudsHeight 1000
  BreezeActivity 10
  ThermalActivity 10
  player BoB_LW_LG2_I.000
[GlobalWind_0]
  Power 3.000 0.000 0.000
  BottomBound 0.00
  TopBound 1500.00
  GustPower 5
  GustAngle 45
[splines]
[AirGroups]
  BoB_LW_LG2_I.01
[BoB_LW_LG2_I.01]
  Flight0  1
  Class Aircraft.BR-20M
  Formation FINGERFOUR
  CallSign 26
  Fuel 100
  Weapons 1
  Skill 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3
[BoB_LW_LG2_I.01_Way]
  NORMFLY 16049.12 14650.34 3500.00 300.00
  NORMFLY 12316.71 17632.80 500.00 300.00
[CustomChiefs]
[Stationary]
  Static9 Stationary.Airfield.OuterMarker nn 12833.81 17204.95 0.00 /radioFreq 380
  Static19 Stationary.Airfield.Radio_NDB_Beacon nn 12145.44 17336.83 0.00 /radioFreq 303
  Static3 Stationary.Environment.JP3_Generator_15_KW_UK1 gb 12562.19 17467.56 0.00 /target AIChief_0
  Static10 Stationary.Airfield.InnerMarker nn 12228.69 17516.94 0.00 /radioFreq 380
  Static7 Stationary.RadioBeacon.GenericLongRangeMast gb 12291.04 17659.86 0.00 /radioFreq 302
  Static5 Stationary.Airfield.SBA_hat_antena nn 12347.77 17608.13 -45.00 /radioFreq 300
  Static18 Stationary.Airfield.InnerMarker nn 12442.97 17859.78 0.00 /radioFreq 380
  Static21 Stationary.Environment.JP3_Generator_15_KW_UK1 gb 15168.32 21703.62 0.00 /target AIChief_2
  Static20 Stationary.RadioBeacon.GenericLongRangeMast gb 15199.37 21724.73 0.00 /radioFreq 310
  Static4 Stationary.RadioBeacon.GenericLongRangeMast gb 10573.69 23114.16 0.00 /radioFreq 301
  Static6 Stationary.Environment.JP3_Generator_15_KW_UK1 gb 10691.42 23142.45 0.00 /target AIChief_1
  Static8 Stationary.Environment.JP3_Generator_15_KW_UK1 gb 10624.26 23280.12 0.00 /target AIChief_1
[Buildings]
[BuildingsLinks]
[AIChiefs]
  AIChief_0 0 12556 17437/script powerOn.cpp/r 500
  AIChief_1 0 10707 23212/script powerOn.cpp/r 500
  AIChief_2 0 15152 21731/script powerOn.cpp/r 200

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Old 01-14-2012, 03:55 AM
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are you really saying its possible to make landings with IFR now?
thats really neat,....but its a shame that once again one has to have programing skills to achieve that.
why cant they implement it the way it was in il2 1946 4.10 patch with the lorenz beacon and the allied bllind landing system.
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Old 01-14-2012, 08:36 AM
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Ataros,

Have you tested this with the airfield AI? It seems a bit weird that it uses the antiair.cpp.
No, i did not. All the info comes from sukhoi.ru (link above). There may be mistakes.

They say also that naryv mentioned that other airfield equipment will work one day also. Now it may work partially, needs more testing. E.g. they say that audio-tube (SoundLocator?) works with baseAntiAir.cpp already now.

Regarding blind landing I have no idea what were possibilities in that time. Maybe only direction is provided but not altitude. I am not an expert in bombers or IFR. I would start with searching for IRL instructions on radio beacon approaches for Br-20 and LBA antenna approaches for He-111.

This is a mission file, not script file. No programming involved only mouse clicks in FMB.

I am amazed with span, detail and ambitions of the project. It is a pity it will take much more time to finish all these details.

PS. Here is a test mission where Charger from sukhoi.ru tests various equipment. Some not set up 100% correct you can join the tests and share findings.

Save as .mis file, edit and run from FMB
Code:
[PARTS]
  core.100
  bob.100
[MAIN]
  MAP Land$Online_Cross_v_Roundel
  BattleArea 0 0 32768 32768 10000
  TIME 15
  WeatherIndex 0
  CloudsHeight 1400
  BreezeActivity 2
  ThermalActivity 2
  player BoB_RAF_F_3Sqn_Early.000
[GlobalWind_0]
  Power 3.000 0.000 0.000
  BottomBound 0.00
  TopBound 0.00
  GustPower 3
  GustAngle 9
[GlobalWind_1]
  Power 0.000 0.000 0.000
  BottomBound 1450.00
  TopBound 1450.00
  GustPower 5
  GustAngle 45
[splines]
[AirGroups]
  BoB_LW_KuFlGr_706.01
  BoB_LW_KuFlGr_706.02
  BoB_RAF_F_3Sqn_Early.01
[BoB_LW_KuFlGr_706.01]
  Flight0  1
  Class Aircraft.He-115B-2
  Formation VIC3
  CallSign 33
  Fuel 100
  Weapons 1
  Skill 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3
[BoB_LW_KuFlGr_706.01_Way]
  NORMFLY 7781.48 26126.48 6000.00 290.00
  NORMFLY 19478.48 17229.82 6000.00 290.00
  NORMFLY 19478.48 17229.82 6000.00 290.00
  NORMFLY 19478.48 17229.82 500.00 290.00
  NORMFLY 19881.47 11430.88 500.00 290.00
[BoB_LW_KuFlGr_706.02]
  Flight1  11
  Class Aircraft.Do-215B-1
  Formation VIC3
  CallSign 33
  Fuel 100
  Weapons 1
  Skill 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3
[BoB_LW_KuFlGr_706.02_Way]
  NORMFLY 6121.10 22235.74 3000.00 290.00
  NORMFLY 17626.33 20525.80 3000.00 290.00
  NORMFLY 19906.25 11356.54 3000.00 290.00
[BoB_RAF_F_3Sqn_Early.01]
  Flight0  1
  Class Aircraft.SpitfireMkIIa
  Formation VIC3
  CallSign 7
  Fuel 100
  Weapons 1
  Skill 0.63 0.42 0.84 1 0.32 0.79 1 0.84
[BoB_RAF_F_3Sqn_Early.01_Way]
  NORMFLY 16339.25 24095.61 3000.00 290.00
  NORMFLY 10108.18 20380.05 3000.00 290.00
  NORMFLY 17100.82 18626.12 3000.00 290.00
  NORMFLY 18785.52 22018.59 3000.00 290.00
  LANDING 12692.92 17449.14 3000.00 290.00
[CustomChiefs]
[Stationary]
  Static10 Searchlight.90_cm_SearchLight_UK1 gb 13057.67 21032.38 -60.00 /target AIChief_0
  Static4 Artillery.Bofors gb 11346.09 21201.90 -60.00 /timeout 0/radius_hide 0
  Static11 Stationary.Environment.JP3_Generator_15_KW_UK1 gb 12719.40 21213.81 -60.00 /target AIChief_1
  Static18 Stationary.Opel_Blitz_radio gb 12895.48 21219.38 -60.00 
  Static17 Aeroanchored.Balloon_winch_UK1 gb 12074.60 21284.46 -60.00 /hstart 15
  Static13 Stationary.Environment.Fire_pump_UK2 gb 12172.94 21296.49 -60.00 
  Static15 Stationary.RadioBeacon.GenericLongRangeMast gb 12397.57 21280.30 -60.00 /radioFreq 315
  Static16 Aeroanchored.Balloon_winch_UK1 gb 12555.60 21254.59 -60.00 /target AIChief_0
  Static14 Stationary.Environment.HeightFinder_UK1 gb 11980.69 21321.28 -60.00 
  Static12 Stationary.Environment.PKDP_UK1 gb 12141.29 21312.84 -60.00 
  Static9 Searchlight.90_cm_SearchLight_UK1 gb 12267.01 21332.06 -60.00 /target AIChief_0
  Static20 Artillery.SoundLocator_MkIIIV_UK1 gb 12287.14 21398.42 -60.00 /timeout 0/radius_hide 0/target AIChief_0
  Static5 Artillery.Bofors gb 11948.55 21444.64 -60.00 /timeout 0/radius_hide 0
  Static0 Artillery.3_inch_20_CWT_QF_Mk_I_StandAlone gb 11391.42 21511.90 -60.00 /timeout 0/radius_hide 0
  Static6 Artillery.Bofors gb 12391.62 21558.70 -60.00 /timeout 0/radius_hide 0
  Static8 Searchlight.90_cm_SearchLight_UK1 gb 12622.39 21547.65 -60.00 /target AIChief_0
  Static1 Artillery.3_inch_20_CWT_QF_Mk_I_StandAlone gb 11698.50 21577.71 -60.00 /timeout 0/radius_hide 0
  Static7 Artillery.Bofors gb 12711.87 21633.27 -60.00 /timeout 0/radius_hide 0
  Static2 Artillery.3_inch_20_CWT_QF_Mk_I_StandAlone gb 12090.39 21706.39 -60.00 /timeout 0/radius_hide 0
  Static3 Artillery.3_inch_20_CWT_QF_Mk_I_StandAlone gb 12502.76 21817.52 -60.00 /timeout 0/radius_hide 0
  Static19 Stationary.Airfield.SBA_hat_antena gb 12900.51 21796.21 -60.00 /target AIChief_0/radioFreq 320
[Buildings]
[BuildingsLinks]
[StaticCamera]
  StaticCamera_0 12351 21377 100
  StaticCamera_1 12679 21531 100
[AIChiefs]
  AIChief_0 0 12095 21374/script baseAntiAir.cpp/r 800
  AIChief_1 0 12642 21278/script powerOn.cpp/r 600

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Old 03-08-2013, 06:09 PM
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Fidle with this matter in FMB ("Final" version).

Objects available:

Generic Long Range Mast Antenna (?)
Radio NDB Beacon Antenna (non directional beacon)
SBA Hat Antenna - (Standard Beam Approach) for blinding landing
Outer Marker - for blinding landing
Inner Marker - for blinding landing

SBA HAT antenna need IA object Anti.Air with Power.ON script and a associated power generator to work (target Anti.Air with generator "set" button).

EDIT - Update: Generic Long Range Mast Antenna, Radio NDB Beacon Antenna, Inner/Outer Marker antenna (passive devices that respond to aircraft signal?) work without SBA Hat Antenna presence, and all d'ont need power - AI+Genetaror .

Antenna frequency for default are 300 MHZ (adjustable from 200 up to 600)
Outer/Inner Marker default at 380 MHZ

Frequency selectable on planes.
Primary Navigation Frequency = NDB
Secondary Navigation Frequency = Blinding Landing
Radio Transceiver Frequency = ???

Planes able to pick antenna signal:

Br.20 - Instrument with vertical needle in upper/left side of instrument panel.
Ju-88 - P-S needle in Magnetic Compass and AFN-1 instrument *
He-111 - P-S needle in Magnetic Compass and AFN-1 instrument *
Ju-87 - AFN-2 instrument * - Autopilot Course (No Mode 22) - Able to select Secondary Nav. Frequency (Blinding Landing)
Bf-110C4/7 - AFN-2 instrument * - Autopilot Course (No Mode 22) - Not able to select frequency - detect SBA signal if transmit at 300 MHZ.


*AFN-1/2 instrument seems bugged to track NDB signal in homing mode.
Horizontal needle detect signal intensity as expected, but vertical needle
swing crazy left/right. EDIT -See bellow.

The major drawback of AFN-1/2 in blinding landing mode is that SBA signal is only detected between Outer and Inner Marker, around 2 Km of runway, this and lack of audible Morse code make this almost useless... EDIT -See bellow.

Is possibly that this AFN-1/2 properly work with third autopilot mode (R22)...??? EDIT -See bellow.

I am not used to CloD autopilot.

Test, with SBA, Outer and Inner antennas placed per IL-2 1946 4.10 readme, due lack of information on how should by in CloD:



Distances for placement measured in FMB with Airport runway object (adjustable from 300 to 10.000 meters - at least).

SBA Hat signal is only detected around by AFN-1/2 ~2 KM from the beginning of the runway. EDIT -See bellow.


Notice - In above picture the SBA HAT signal are not detect at 3KM because the plane is bellow 300 meters of altitude.

SBA Hat tuned at 300 MHZ - to allow test with Bf-110 too since in this aircraft is not possible change frequency.

Outer Marker is only detected if overflown at around 300 mts (~1000 foot) of altitude (350 dont work).
Inner Marker is only detected if overflown at around 200 mts (~660 foot) of altitude (250 dont work).

Outer/Iner Marker indicator lamp apparently dont work in Br.20M (Navigator cockpit, Impeller activated)...

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/attachm...0&d=1264172202
Picture from "Storm of War" development.

Curiosity: Br.20M is only plane that are possible select "Radio Transceiver Frequency" and in navigator cockpit has one instrument associated with this frequency is labeled "Push to Talk"...
What will they planned whit it?

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2176/transciever.jpg

Another thing is that autopilot seems work in Br.20 - at least they make plane start roll..., but no messages are show indicating adjustments/engage.

Probable the culprit for this is:

http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3893/vinee.jpg



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Old 03-10-2013, 02:06 AM
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Is possibly that this AFN-1/2 properly work with third autopilot mode (R22)...???
Apparently, yes.

See what happen with control column when Autopilot mode 22 is selected (He-111) with AFN-1/2 tuned to SBA Hat Antenna.


The movement is progressive, not show in this .GIF.

EDIT - This control column movement dont have relation with Lorenz, is for level bombing, to acelerate the plane (He.111, JU-8.

Not sure, but I seemed to hear a continuous mute tone, at one of the landings ...

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Old 03-10-2013, 03:53 AM
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*AFN-1/2 instrument seems bugged to track NDB signal in homing mode.
Horizontal needle detect signal intensity as expected, but vertical needle
swing crazy left/right
.
EUREKA!

Is just matter of keeping the "Course Autopilot Preset" equaled with "Directional Gyro" reading, using "Course Autopilot Adjust", so the AFN-1 needle is ably to track SBA Hat Antenna signal correctly.



If there is much variation between the two instruments, the AFN-1 needle goes "crazy".

Is not need engage Autopilot Mode 22 (probable make a automated "glide path"... dont know...), adjust "Course Autopilot Preset" to allow proper operation of AFN-1.

Lorenz in CloD is more "sophisticated" than in IL-2.

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Old 03-19-2013, 11:55 PM
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End of "night adventures", no more night in CloD... ?

EDIT - False alarm. With TF patch things goes dark after 1:30.




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