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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer 1C: Maddox Games.

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Old 03-01-2011, 06:05 PM
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Default The "Crooked Cross" symbol on LW aircraft tails

Since the unmentionable "Crooked Cross" is illegal in some countries and is a nightmare for others, what about a substitute?

The RAF put a 2 color bar on its vertical.
The LW aircraft in game without the mark is, off, not just becuase it is, but more so compared to the RAF aircraft.

Substitutes mark rejected?
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Old 03-01-2011, 06:14 PM
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I'd like to propose some sort of symbol for Gay Pride. Or perhaps a pic of Basil Fawlty doing his routine. Henry Kissinger? For the folks at home, David Cameron.

I predict an enormo-thread.
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Old 03-01-2011, 11:58 PM
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I'd like to propose some sort of symbol for Gay Pride.
I thought the swastika Was the symbol of Gay Pride! Or maybe it should be? It would take away any negitive association with the symbol!

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Old 03-02-2011, 12:18 AM
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well as many other say, is just historical accuracy, and in the other hand
why we can't chose what to pick up, and as somebody else say, swastika
is part of history and history must not be ereased but remembered.
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Old 03-02-2011, 01:14 AM
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Well, you could take ten second and download a swastika using google image search. Then you could paste it on the skin of your choice and load that skin in-game.

Why are we still having this discussion? It's like complaining that windows doesn't ship with wallpapers of nude women. MAKE IT HAPPEN! It's not hard and it doesn't even take more than a minute to do. I'm sure even the slowest of 12 year olds could do it from just readign this post. Do you also complain that your ramen noodles don't come pre-cooked and ready to eat in the package?

Jeeze!

Please tell me you people are not that helpless?

Edit: Wait 1 hour after the game is released! There will be more swastika mods than you can shake a stick at.

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Old 03-02-2011, 01:25 AM
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I've expressed my views on this topic before. I support Maddox Games' decision to omit the swastika for fear of potential legal reprisal, though I do think the "boogey man" stigma that surrounds the swastika is ridiculous. The way in which the Nazis perverted the swastika is a historical reality and nothing can change that. It is what it is. I highly doubt many neo-Nazis are going to get meaningfully frenzied into a political fervor after buying a flight simulator that features the big scary swastika on the vertical stabilizer of a few planes.

With that said, I'd be fine if they just used the aforementioned diamond or an "X" as an alternative. It'd look okay from a distance. I'll probably just wait for the community to correct the issue.
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Old 03-02-2011, 05:28 AM
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I've expressed my views on this topic before. I support Maddox Games' decision to omit the swastika for fear of potential legal reprisal, though I do think the "boogey man" stigma that surrounds the swastika is ridiculous. The way in which the Nazis perverted the swastika is a historical reality and nothing can change that. It is what it is. I highly doubt many neo-Nazis are going to get meaningfully frenzied into a political fervor after buying a flight simulator that features the big scary swastika on the vertical stabilizer of a few planes.

With that said, I'd be fine if they just used the aforementioned diamond or an "X" as an alternative. It'd look okay from a distance. I'll probably just wait for the community to correct the issue.
If JG53 can paint over it so can I.
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Old 03-02-2011, 02:07 AM
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I thought the swastika Was the symbol of Gay Pride! Or maybe it should be? It would take away any negitive association with the symbol!

Cheers!

This is not actually a good topic to make fun of:

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http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article....uleId=10005261

From 1937 to 1939, the peak years of the Nazi persecution of homosexuals, the police increasingly raided homosexual meeting places, seized address books, and created networks of informers and undercover agents to identify and arrest suspected homosexuals. On April 4, 1938, the Gestapo issued a directive indicating that men convicted of homosexuality could be incarcerated in concentration camps. Between 1933 and 1945 the police arrested an estimated 100,000 men as homosexuals. Most of the 50,000 men sentenced by the courts spent time in regular prisons, and between 5,000 and 15,000 were interned in concentration camps.

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Prisoners marked by pink triangles to signify homosexuality were treated harshly in the camps. According to many survivor accounts, homosexuals were among the most abused groups in the camps.

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One avenue of survival available to some homosexuals was castration, which some criminal justice officials advocated as a way of "curing" sexual deviance. Homosexual defendants in criminal cases or concentration camps could agree to castration in exchange for lower sentences. Later, judges and SS camp officials could order castration without the consent of a homosexual prisoner.

Nazis interested in finding a "cure" for homosexuality expanded this program to include medical experimentation on homosexual inmates of concentration camps. These experiments caused illness, mutilation, and even death, and yielded no scientific knowledge.


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Old 03-02-2011, 02:34 AM
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I bet this community's talented skinners will have more historically correct markings to share within a day or two of release. Probably even less than a day, considering how easy this particular addition would be.
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Old 03-02-2011, 05:39 AM
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This is not actually a good topic to make fun of:
Your right, sorry.
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