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Old 02-19-2013, 03:05 AM
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id love some late war german bombers/attack craft to give me a reason to actually use one in later war scenarios, sure the he111s and ju88s are USEABLE, but they are just at a immense disadvantage around 1943 and later. i mean its getting to the point it is absolutely no fun to fly a bomber in any map that has late war planes, cause allied planes even ones that are not that strong or have huge guns will just tear you apart easily, only a luckshot with those useless 81s or 15s will light em or more likely damage/jam engine up at best, at worst do nothing whatsoever.

now personally id love to see at least a he111 or ju88 with a late war loadout (mg131s/20mm cannons to give us a bit more of an edge). preferably a do217 which is already an ai plane, and was used late war in at least a few occasions if i am corrrect.

still if no new pits are to be made id have to settle with the late war he111s (just replace the mg15s with mg131s which are already modeled on the he111 with the rockets), and i believe the nose mounted 20mm remained the same, and the window guns may have been mg81s but im not entirely sure on that, all im pretty sure of is the top and bottom rear gunners were 131s. not that mg131s are a huge threat but at least they could do some damage to a pursuer that otherwise could just park themselves on your 6.

a late ju88 would be nice or even better a attack version with forward mounted guns and the solid metal nose which was used as both a night fighter, day fighter, bomber, and straffin craft which would easily be a great addition to the game.

also id love a flyable me210 or 410, they were very good planes, far superior to the not so good bf110s (which although quite potent and fast initially, quickly becomes a easy kill).

allied bombers are at least somewhat resistant to fighters, by no means immune as a fw190 is certain doom to them, but at least 13 or so 50cals can put up quite a good fight...
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Old 02-19-2013, 11:35 AM
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id love some late war german bombers/attack craft to give me a reason to actually use one in later war scenarios, sure the he111s and ju88s are USEABLE, but they are just at a immense disadvantage around 1943 and later. i mean its getting to the point it is absolutely no fun to fly a bomber in any map that has late war planes, cause allied planes even ones that are not that strong or have huge guns will just tear you apart easily, only a luckshot with those useless 81s or 15s will light em or more likely damage/jam engine up at best, at worst do nothing whatsoever.
That is exactly what I am takling about.
I fly regulary in a virtual squadron always as a bomber pilot and I always have this problem.
The result is that the pleasure is missing a lot
As others stated, a do217 would be more than very welcome!

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Old 02-19-2013, 11:36 AM
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Good news to the bombers lovers: He177 3d model is finished (if I translated correctly from SVK community forum). Now DT will make FM, so hopefully for 4.13 we will see this beauty. Thanks to all SVK community members involved for this!!!
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Old 02-19-2013, 12:25 PM
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Quite impressive performance for an 1940-41 plane! The K (1942) and especially the M (1943) are even better!

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Old 02-19-2013, 12:46 PM
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DORNIER 217 ITALIAN camouflage(skin):

Do.217J-1
Unit: 235 Squadriglia, 60 Gruppo, 41 Stormo
Serial: 235-8
Treviso San-Giuseppe, winter 1942-1943. Note: White Balkenkreuze above and below wings; Swastika on fin painted over.


Do.17Ka-3
Unit: 1 Centro Sperimentale
Serial: br.3362
Experimental Flying Center, Guidonia, June 1941.

Do.17Kb-1
Unit: unknown
Serial: unknown
This aircraft was shot down over Volkhov, Western Yugoslavia.

DORNIER 217 CAPTURED FROM ENGLAND:

Do.217M-1
Unit: ex KG 2
Serial: AM107 (ex U5+??, W.Nr.5615
This aircraft was flown from Schleswig to Farnborough on 13th October 1945.


Unit: unknown
Serial: AM7 (ex KF+JN, W.Nr.0040)
This aircraft was captured as Flensburg in 1945. Fitted with Dornier Do.317 style fins and rudders.

Do.17Ka-3
Unit: 102 MTU, RAF
Serial: br.3348
Heliopolis, Egypt, May 1941.

U.S.A.

Do.17E-2 "Axis Sally"
Unit: unknown
Serial: FE-2000 (W.Nr.2095)
Circa 1945.

SWIZERLAND:

Do.17Z-3
Unit: ex Stab III./KG2
Serial: ex U5+BD
Pilot - Lt.Von Der Groben. Bale-Birsfelden, on 21st April 1940.

ALSO:
BULGARIA (5)
HUNGARY (3)
SPAIN (11)
FINLAND (6)
CROATIA (9)
YUGOSLAVIA (14)
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Old 02-19-2013, 01:27 PM
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Quite impressive performance for an 1940-41 plane! The K (1942) and especially the M (1943) are even better!
Just marginally, if at all. The K model didn't have more power, and while the M did, the handbook lists the same speeds while Rechlin tested it with 495 km/h, max.
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That is exactly what I am takling about.
I fly regulary in a virtual squadron always as a bomber pilot and I always have this problem.
The result is that there the pleasure is missing a lot
As others stated, a do217 would be more than very welcome!
Seconded. Which squadron if I may ask?

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Good news to the bombers lovers: He177 3d model is finished (if I translated correctly from SVK community forum). Now DT will make FM, so hopefully for 4.13 we will see this beauty. Thanks to all SVK community members involved for this!!!
Bloody Hell! Couple that with B-24 and we are talking bomber pilots Heaven when 4.13 is ready...
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Old 02-20-2013, 06:47 PM
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I think the idea of collecting sources of info on Do 217 is great!
Let me resume existing and available models of Dornier bombers for Il 2. We have Do 217K-1 and Do 217K-2 as AI only in stock Il 2, Do 17Z-0 and Do 147Z-2 as a flyable mod by Ranwers/SAS~Crazyflak (http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.ph...c,21566.0.html) nowadays.
IMHO at first it would be easier to redesign these planes as flyable or compatible with stock Il 2 than build up Do 217E afresh.
This is why I personally prefer to think of Do 17 too. We can fly Poland and somehow France with maps in stock Il 2, and we can fly the Eastern front, so we have enough possibilities for using Do 17. As far as we don’t reduce our point of view only at faster or more durable types, but want have historically corresponding choice of planes, though.
Gaunt1 expressed the expectance that the gathering of data on Do 217 can move someone to start work on cockpits or new versions. From my point of view refusing of existing projects which simultaneously means to ignore the work of their designers, could be a little unhappy in this context.
But I agree that the Do 217E is fundamental, this plane covered the period between the years 1941 and 1942, before coming of Do 217K in 1943.
More, I agree that Do’s 217M-1/11 (different wing in the same way as Do 217K-1/2) were the fastest 217 (aside from reducing of range and/or bomb-load capacity on account of higher consumption of DB 603 engines) but also carrying load-outs up to 4000 kg, more than He 111 or Ju 88/188. And, what more, they had this strange touch of „ugly prettiness“, which was so attracting.
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Old 02-20-2013, 07:56 PM
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I think the idea of collecting sources of info on Do 217 is great!
Let me resume existing and available models of Dornier bombers for Il 2. We have Do 217K-1 and Do 217K-2 as AI only in stock Il 2, Do 17Z-0 and Do 147Z-2 as a flyable mod by Ranwers/SAS~Crazyflak (http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.ph...c,21566.0.html) nowadays.
IMHO at first it would be easier to redesign these planes as flyable or compatible with stock Il 2 than build up Do 217E afresh.
This is why I personally prefer to think of Do 17 too. We can fly Poland and somehow France with maps in stock Il 2, and we can fly the Eastern front, so we have enough possibilities for using Do 17. As far as we don’t reduce our point of view only at faster or more durable types, but want have historically corresponding choice of planes, though.
Gaunt1 expressed the expectance that the gathering of data on Do 217 can move someone to start work on cockpits or new versions. From my point of view refusing of existing projects which simultaneously means to ignore the work of their designers, could be a little unhappy in this context.
But I agree that the Do 217E is fundamental, this plane covered the period between the years 1941 and 1942, before coming of Do 217K in 1943.
More, I agree that Do’s 217M-1/11 (different wing in the same way as Do 217K-1/2) were the fastest 217 (aside from reducing of range and/or bomb-load capacity on account of higher consumption of DB 603 engines) but also carrying load-outs up to 4000 kg, more than He 111 or Ju 88/188. And, what more, they had this strange touch of „ugly prettiness“, which was so attracting.
Well, in my opinion, the first should be the Do 217K1, since there is a cockpit mod for it. I dont know how good is that mod, but judging from the pictures, I think already looks nice. Of course some areas need better details/textures, but still, a really good starting point. With the manuals, Im sure it could be corrected/enhanced. Next, maybe the M1, because its the same as the K, except the engines. And finally, the E2/E4. K1 external model would be a good base, only the nose is different. However, the cockpit would be a massive work, even though the rear part is almost the same as the K/M.
The Do-17, I agree its a nice plane, but as far as I know TD cant add it simply because its in CloD.
The 217 would fill the gap between the already ingame He-111/Ju88 and the upcoming He-177. Would be fun both to fly it and to fly against it, a really important german bomber I think.
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Good news to the bombers lovers: He177 3d model is finished (if I translated correctly from SVK community forum). Now DT will make FM, so hopefully for 4.13 we will see this beauty. Thanks to all SVK community members involved for this!!!
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