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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer 1C: Maddox Games.

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Old 01-27-2011, 12:24 AM
F19_lacrits F19_lacrits is offline
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Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger View Post
Our .303's will have absolutly no effect on this at all. I think we will need cannons!

Do you see the 120mm mortars on the right shoulder and the 105mm howitzer sticking out on the left chest? We need nukes to neutralize this monster.. Robocop is nothing, look out for Robofritz!
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Old 01-27-2011, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Blackdog_kt View Post
Oh come on....it's this exact attitude of riding our high horse that we all display at times that turns away newcomers from the genre and i'm not singling anyone out in particular here...i've been guilty of the same thing in the past until i realized we're shutting ourselves out from possibly bringing "new blood" into the hobby, even the limited number of people who would actually be interested in trying their hand at it.

It's no shame to call it game. Saying it's a game doesn't mean it can't be intellectually challenging or teach you stuff, don't you think?
For example rolling dice is a game, then chess is a game too...one is pure luck, the other involves some thinking to actually be good at to be the point it can be considered a sport.

In fact, even games that are based on luck can be made challenging and be considered mental sports if the rules are complex enough, for example the difference between simple games of cards and complicated ones like poker, where you can win by other means despite being unlucky and drawing the worst hand. Or in another case, pen and paper role playing games...they too use dice (albeit up to 20-sided ones) but the rules make sure it's not all about luck.

However, people still say "let's play a round of chess" just like they say "let's play a round of cards" and nobody takes offence, you hardly see anyone saying "let's stimulate our analytical mental faculties and intellect with a round of simulated, turn-based, movement restricted warfare with wooden soldier pieces"
+1 I'm just annoyed that the local computer stores no longer sell second hand PC games (thanks to DRM & serial codes), have reduced their PC collection to two small shelves and that 10 out of the 12 titles they have are console ports.

It is the end my friends the end (something or other).

Originally Posted by Robotic Pope View Post
Yes it is those things, but above that of course it is a computer game and is classed as one. We still PLAY the game.

The word game covers far more than what you described. Chess is a game for example and people who play that live their whole lives continueing to learn new tactics and stratagies.

Nobody said anything about being a "gamer" a word that has come to mean a person who plays video games.

Edit: I agree with Blackdog. Sorry I didn't read your post before I replied.
Yes, I guess - not a gamer. I agree with all you've said.

Er... I ah, don't really play Il-2 btw. I load it up. Look at it. Crash things into each other. Admire the accuracy. Declare it a wonderful thing and then exit.

I can never seem to find time for proper campaign missions...
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