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Old 06-13-2013, 11:47 AM
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zipper, Carr had figured out how to raise and lower the flaps. When he found the button to raise the gear, he assumed its mate was the lowering button. On final, he tried that button twice unsuccessfully. After a couple of days, he calmed down enough to take some friends to the wreck. One of them pulled on the lock and released the gear. What Carr meant by "drop," I don't know. Maybe it just dropped half an inch from backlash and made a sound. I used to think he meant to the ground until I read these forum comments. I think to model this well, various reactions to damage would be needed, and it would take several dedicated hit boxes. I don't know if there is a limit for hit boxes.
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Old 06-13-2013, 03:22 PM
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Bruce Carr was shot down in his P51, hid in a forest, stole a Fw190 from a nearby German airfield, and raced back to his base, figuring out the airplane as he went. Two days after bellying it in (and suffering his AA gunners' attention), a friend pulled on one of the "unexplained" controls, whereby the landing gear dropped down.

I know, pointless. But it's still funny.
An amazing story -- but

The true story

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The story of Bruce Carr “stealing” an Fw 190 and escaping from behind enemy lines is patently untrue. In AIRFOIL #2 , Steve Blake and I published a short article debunking this apocryphal story. As part of his research, Steve Blake spoke to Col. Felix Kozaczka, one of Carr’s wingmen, who was present during the flight and belly landing. Kozaczka told him in no uncertain terms that the more lurid aspects of this story never occurred.
Like many pilots after the war, Carr wanted to fly a German plane. Carr hitchhiked to Linz, Austria, where he chose the now-well-known Fw 190 A-6/A-8 hybrid, “31+ ~ Red” for his mount. After flying back to Ansbach with an escort of 354th FG P-51s, Carr couldn’t get the 190’s gear down and was forced to belly land it on the grass at Ansbach.
Post-crash photos of Carr show him walking around unhurt and wearing a neat, clean uniform—hardly the look of someone who had just evaded capture and flown a stolen Focke-Wulf to freedom.
I can’t believe that this story won’t just die and go away. Heroes like Bruce Carr don’t deserve to be tarred with lurid tales like this. Their real-life experiences should be more than enough for anyone.
Steve Sheflin
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Old 06-13-2013, 09:10 PM
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Maybe that 190 pilot in the video was just mashing the control panel in panic looking for the ctrl-e or disconnect buttons, and hit the gear button instead?

Lots of emotion over a small technical detail.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:08 AM
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Somone must have done more than bend the truth. I don't have the Airpower magazine article here (it's at work), but it does a fair bit of supposed "quoting" from Carr. If all you say is true, and Carr was (is) still living, he must have been one pi**ed off veteran.
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Old 06-14-2013, 12:44 AM
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http://www.tonyrogers.com/humor/bruce_carr.htm
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Old 06-14-2013, 02:34 PM
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More here
http://warbirdinformationexchange.or...lit=bruce+carr

Two sides to the story but the convincing money seems to be on the version that has the Fw190 taken from a captured airfield as a souvenir.
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Old 06-15-2013, 12:19 PM
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Two sides to the story but the convincing money seems to be on the version that has the Fw190 taken from a captured airfield as a souvenir.
Here is an REAL STORY about TRUE stealing of enemy Не-111Н-22 by soviet prisoner Michail Devyayaev and his comrades in 8.02.1945.

Devayataev was a fighter pilot, he was shot down on his P-39 in June 1944.
He and 10 more prisoners hijacked a new He-111H-22 from Usedom airfield.
Before this Devjataev studied He-111 cockpit with crashed spare parts and watched for pre-flight actions of german pilots. Also group was preparing rather long time. In 8.02.1945 ten half-dead prisoners killed one prison guard and captured "Heinkel", board number 13013.
Not everythig went smoоthly (for example, long time they tried to take off with no success, rudders were too tight for weakened
prisoners, Devyataev didn't know where was trimmer levers - and so on), but finally they did it!
Their He-111 made belly landing at Woldenberg (now Dobiegniew) on soviet territory. By the way, Davyataev's He-111 flew with released landing gear.


6 of 10 were sent on front and were killed in action.
Michail Devyataev became Hero of Soviet Union (decorated with Golden Star) in 1957 and died in 2002

Here is more(russian)
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Old 06-16-2013, 01:07 PM
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Devyataev could not operate at a normal work.
On the personal file was stamped unreliable element because he was in captivity.
Retirement, he received the minimum and no extra charge for participation in the war.
Realy sad story, but in Soviet Union we have many same story...
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Old 06-16-2013, 07:24 PM
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where is the patch?
I will start a new joke... One year left?
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Old 06-16-2013, 07:54 PM
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Two weeks.

Be sure.

When in doubt, refer to the Valve Time.
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