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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer 1C: Maddox Games.

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Old 03-03-2011, 11:12 PM
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Question Is a full blown GROUND game planned with CoD?

The list of vehicles in CoD is surprisingly huge(!).
More then a smattering then needed for ground targets, enough for a rich ground game if they make it fully functional.
All it needs is troops (which is far from easy).

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Germany
Tanks
* Pz.Kpfw.I Ausf.B
* Pz.Kpfw.II Ausf.C
* Pz.Kpfw.III Ausf.F
* Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.D
* Pz.Kpfw. 35 (t) (captured)
* Pz.Kpfw. 35 (t) (trophy, commanding)
* Pz.Kpfw. 38 (t) (captured)
* 7TP (captured)
* B.B1 Bis (captured)
* H-39 (captured)
* R-35 (captured)
* R.Ft-17 (captured)
* S-35 (captured)

Assault tanks
* StuG.III Ausf.A
* StuG.III Ausf.B

Armored cars
* Sd.Kfz.222 (intelligence)
* Sd.Kfz.231 6-Rad
* Sd.Kfz.232 6-Rad (link)
* Sd.Kfz.232 8-Rad (link)
* Sd.Kfz.251 / 1 Ausf.A (armored infantry)
* Sd.Kfz.263 6-Rad (link)
* Sd.Kfz.263 8-Rad (intelligence)
* P-178 (captured)

Semi-tracked tractors
* Sd.Kfz.10
* Sd.Kfz.10 / 1
* Sd.Kfz.10 / 4
* Sd.Kfz.7
* Sd.Kfz.9
* Sd.Kfz.9 / 1
* Sd.Kfz.11
* Sd.Kfz.252

Trucks
* Truck Krupp L2H43 Protze Kfz.69
* Truck Krupp L2H43 Protze Kfz.69 (open) (?)
* Opel Blitz (radio)
* Opel Blitz (tanker)
* Opel Blitz (medical and / m)
* Opel Blitz (medical and / m with a tent (?)
* Ford G917T (s)
* Horch 108 Typ 1A (c / y)

Trailers(??)
* Kubelwagen Typ 82
* Horch Typ 830

Miscellaneous
* Motorcycle BMW R-71 (with sidecar)

Ships and boats
* Minensuchboote Typ 35

Italy
Cars
* SPA TL 37

Miscellaneous
* Tractor Fiat OCI 708

United Kingdom
Tanks
* Mk.VIB
* Matilda II
* Valentine II
* A13 Mk II

Armored cars
* Guy Mk.I
* Guy Mk.II
* Standard Beaverette
* Bedford OXA

Trucks
* Bedford MWC (tank)
* Bedford OYD (flatbed)
* Bedford OYD (board, met. Body)
* Bedford OYD (tank)
* Bedford CWT (flatbed)
* Morris Commercial (tanker)
* Morris Commercial CS8 (flatbed)
* Morris Commercial CDSW (3-axle tractor)
* Albion AM 463 (tanker)
* The carrier balloon n / a
* AEC Matador (flatbed)
* Scammel Pioneer TRMU30 (tank transporter)
* Scammel Pioneer SV2S (crane truck)
* Guy (Art. tractor)
* Austin K2 ATV (fire and / m)
* Austin K2 (medical and / m)
* Ford V8 E917 (awning)
* Austin 10 Tilly

Trailers
* MG RR
* Unidentified a / m (Medox "?)

Buses
* Leyland (1 fl.)
* Leyland (2 floors).
* Staff bus (presumably AEC Dorchester)
* Staff bus beskapotnoy layout (n / y)

Miscellaneous
* Tractor Fordson N

Ships and boats
* 16-ft Dinghy
* 27-ft Whaler
* 30-ft Gig
* 42-ft Sailing Launch
* Carley Float
* Fishing Boat Medium
* LCA
* Medium Tanker
* Motor Barge Small
* Motor Barge Large
* Motorboat

France
Tanks
* Renault FT17
* Somua S35
* Hotckis H39
* Renault UE

Armored
* Panhard 178

Tractors
* Citroen Unic P-107

Poland
Tanks
* 7TP

Armored
* Wz.34
well?


PS, their is also a UK Train that I do not think is on list.
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Old 03-03-2011, 11:14 PM
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It's been hinted that they have such aspirations, yes.
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Old 03-04-2011, 01:57 AM
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They done it before. Theatre of War is based on the IL2 engine afaik
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Old 03-04-2011, 03:49 AM
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Ships and boats
* 16-ft Dinghy
* 27-ft Whaler
* 30-ft Gig
* 42-ft Sailing Launch
* Carley Float
* Fishing Boat Medium
* LCA
* Medium Tanker
* Motor Barge Small
* Motor Barge Large
* Motorboat
Dunkirk Anyone?

Pitty for the RAF boys there's no crash boat!

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Old 03-04-2011, 09:26 AM
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My first gripe...

The list of ships is a little disappointing...

Considering the percentage of the map covered in water....I was expecting more armoured/naval units on both sides, as opposed to the apparent merchant units they've included in the list.
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Old 03-04-2011, 09:30 AM
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Not a chance in hell unless you want BF1942 realism, theres a reason why RO2 does not do planes and a reason why IL2 does not do ground combat.
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Not a chance in hell unless you want BF1942 realism, theres a reason why RO2 does not do planes and a reason why IL2 does not do ground combat.

Even a couple years ago, Oleg was talking about a full war type scenario, involving planes, ground vehicles and ships.
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Old 03-04-2011, 12:17 PM
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Even a couple years ago, Oleg was talking about a full war type scenario, involving planes, ground vehicles and ships.
Yes, he did mention it.
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Old 03-04-2011, 01:17 PM
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Even a couple years ago, Oleg was talking about a full war type scenario, involving planes, ground vehicles and ships.
In case you fail to get my point, here is why it will never happen.
I could think of a million more reasons but this should be obvious for anyone with a little understanding of game development and time..
Also this post is not meant to bash anyone, its a cool idea and all but its simply not practical or doable even for a large studio.

Maps / Quality:

If you expect a ground simulation on the scale of IL2 maps to work together with IL2 aka a multi simulation that includes tanks,
infantry and aircraft all detailed and simulated as much as possible you're asking for far too much.

First of all lets look at the quality, i assume you'd want RO2 type quality on the ground combat aka
the same quality that Maddox models the air combat but on the ground for both infantry and tanks.

Lets see, RO2 has 10 maps on launch and has been in development for 4-5 years .. they've incredibly detailed maps BUT
remind me again how large they are since they're so detailed? Oh yeh thats right each map is very small if you compare it
to a flight sim map which is a lot less detailed, meaning any kind of detailed world or large scale map would take forever to model in Unreal engine 3 quality.

Fun factor
Even if its a simulator the fun will be completly gone. If you model the distances in a flight sim for the infantry and vehicles on the ground we're talking hours of driving,
not to mention a very dull and undetailed ground world.. something that would be utterly boring from the 1st person perspective.

Secondly you would need thousands and thousands of players to even make it remotely interesting,
or hey lets play 32vs32 infantry combat on a map as large as Britain..

Hardware/Resources/Size
The game would be gignormous not only in size but it would take forever to develop, and what you might get out of a finished product of this type,
is not even close to worth the development cost.. thats without even mentioning how much a game like that would drain your system.

From Twi Devs

The TWI devs of RO2 made a good point, they clearly stated that they're going for realistic infantry and tank combat but to include planes would just be ridiculous..
you'd have them going in U-turns and the simulation scale of the planes would be far lower than the ground experience.. aka more like BF1942. And thats why
a proper & detailed ground + air simulation isn't even remotely close with todays technology.

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