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Old 08-01-2010, 07:59 PM
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Default 1 significant historic and 3 detail errors with Ju88 model

S! Oleg and 1C

I have been looking closely at the screen shots of the Ju88, and best as I can tell (detail images needed) I found 2 or 3 minor errors, and 1 outstanding historical one.
http://download.softclub.ru/pub/il2pict/Ju-88A-1_15.jpg

In front on the tear drop shaped blister on the upper fuselage side just behind the cockpit is special door that is operated during combat. The blister itself exists for clearance of the internal bomb racks.

Images of that door in operation are extremely rare because in the vast majority of photos one does not see that part of the aircraft, or are not taken during direct of combat (usually on the way to or from).

With all the research your team has done, someone may know about it, but I for one was privileged to help restore the only relatively complete 88A-1 in the world, and it was there I discovered its purpose and operation.


It should not effect game pay where this detail included or not, but seeing your commitment to incredible models I think you would be interested in this detail.
Please contact me and discuss this and other findings.

I also spent time working on a He-111P and Ju-52.


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Old 08-03-2010, 12:14 AM
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Interesting...do you mean there's a door behind the rear gunner's station on the upper fuselage?

The only thing i can think off for having one would be to rotate the gun blister so that the gun lies near to the fuselage, open the door and slide the gun into the compartment to reduce drag (something like the "retracting" guns on the SM.79). Far fetched i know, but i couldn't resist taking a wild guess

Edit: Since you mention the blister is to provide clearance for the bomb racks, i came up with another idea. Supposing the bombs are not armed during the start of the mission, then a crew member would have to arm them in flight like in the "memphis belle" movie, where they take the locking pins off the bombs in the B-17 bomb bay. Since the Ju-88 is a lot smaller and maybe doesn't have enough internal fuselage space for a crewman to get around on a standing or semi-upright position, could it be that they opened the top of the fuselage so that he could go into the bomb bay and arm the bombs?

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Old 08-03-2010, 01:08 AM
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I think I can help with clearing this up. What Frantisek is most likely referring to are the two small hatches on both sides of the upper fuselage marked in the screens below.

These control the air pressure in the forward bomb bay. Though I couldn't find any further information in the entire handbook for the A-1, nor in the bombing manual.

marked position on model and original.





As found in the handbook.



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Old 08-03-2010, 11:25 AM
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Hi Frantishek

Nice picture of the Ju88 and yourself

Zorins correct.

Air pressure flaps and bomb blisters are present in the Ju88 A1 SOW model.

They are just hard to see from the pic angle and cammo.

If they will be actually operational in the 3D model I doubt.

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Old 08-05-2010, 06:02 PM
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Any reply yet, Frantishek?
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Old 08-07-2010, 08:48 PM
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Back, that is I am on work assignment for week away from home, limited computer access, and all that.

Zorin and KG26_Alpha are correct!
Yes, the doors are for air flow in the bomb bay, and I have only found ONE photo that shows them open!

While restoring the Ju88A-1 I found them and was blown away (pun??) by their existence, however it is also a bit of mystery since so little is published by them, especially since they existed on many models of 88, including the 188 and fighter versions.

I took photos of them, and operated them, taking more photos.

I hoped to get communications from 1C directly on this detail (whether they choose to put it in or not is up to them).

Blackdog_kt, that's some imagination, but wrong on both (I know all the details on the gun positions, who made them, and when first used, etc).

As to bombs, the He-111p in Norway has much of the system in place, and there are electrical lines to the bombs, but honestly I am not sure if they are electrically armed or release a mechanical device that is used to arm the bombs.

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Old 08-08-2010, 10:18 AM
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Well, it never hurts to try i guess (or try to guess in this case). I initially thought that you were referring to a door on the top of the fuselage right behind the gunner's station and not the blisters to the sides, so that's all i could come up with. Of course there's no visible outline for a top fuselage door because it doesn't exist, but then again i totally missed the blisters that do in fact exist, so my thoughts started running a bit wild on the whole matter

So, if the pressure regulating blisters were the significant historic feature, what are the 3 detail errors mentioned in the title?
Interesting information in any case, keep it coming. I know i'm not the only one who's extra-curious to see a photo of those blisters in operation
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Old 08-09-2010, 04:34 PM
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Well, it never hurts to try i guess (or try to guess in this case). I initially thought that you were referring to a door on the top of the fuselage right behind the gunner's station and not the blisters to the sides, so that's all i could come up with. Of course there's no visible outline for a top fuselage door because it doesn't exist, but then again i totally missed the blisters that do in fact exist, so my thoughts started running a bit wild on the whole matter
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So, if the pressure regulating blisters were the significant historic feature, what are the 3 detail errors mentioned in the title?
Interesting information in any case, keep it coming. I know i'm not the only one who's extra-curious to see a photo of those blisters in operation
Its not the blisters, but the door in front of them.

The other 3 detail errors are in the cockpit, but I am not positive until I can see close up shots of the cockpit area. Mainly to do with the gun stations.


I know I am sounding presumptuous, but I want to know Oleg and Company saw what I want to show, and know I can help them.
They are very busy, and could simply miss random bits of useful data.

S!

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Old 08-09-2010, 06:57 PM
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If you need some pictures...



Luftdruckausgleich für vorderen Bombenraum :


































Junkers JU-88 A-4, Norsk Luftfartsmuseum.










B-Stand 1 MG15 in LLK mit 1275 Schuss:



































































A-Stand 1 MG 15 in Lagerkugel LgK 100 mit 375 Schuss :













































































C-Stand 1 MG 15 in Bola 39 mit 450 Schuss :





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Old 08-09-2010, 08:06 PM
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You Guys in Oslo made an outstanding restoration work on those mighty Luftwaffe beauties.

Frantishek, did you find more informations on the "could be" X-Geräte Ju 88A-1 ?




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